GOOD TIME TO BUY

[2Pipperty]

Hi All,

I have been getting my boat ready to go out in the coming months, but at the same time as I am new to the fishing scene needed to buy some fishing gear (rods, reels etc). So i have been doing some homework and really shopped around and have found that this is a great time of year to be buying new gear. I managed to get several new rods for some Jew fishing towards the end of the year and now I am quite pumped......
So i do recomend that if you need to but some gear that now is a good time. I looked around everywhere and found a store in St Mary's that I am sure most of you know and the guy there that you all know was very helpfull and saved me plenty of dollars and some great tips.
This is my first year out by myself on DEBUT, BRING ON THE JEWIES..... If i can get one good one over the warm months I will be wrapped........ Hope to post a good pic, 20kilo plus before Xmas....

[storms72]

Top post Topipp.....I have to agree I am layby-ing some new stuff next week and my local tackle shop gentleman was saying how quiet and slow it is for them, thay just want to sell some stock so it isn't sitting there costing them money..

Fingers crossed mate I too am hoping to have a boat in the near future. I have found a run down 14.5ft glass boat that needs some work, floor and transom are ok, will be converting to tiller steer so need to remove cockpit and re-mould gunnel at the front, remove and relocate seating . I have also found an engine 15hp OMC 70's model which needs a little touching-up. The trailer is good. Its at the right price which for me is as cheap as possible(yes quinnie it is well under $1,000)!:headbang: :ohhh yeah: :rolling laughter:

[quintrex101]

quiet andpossible(yes quinnie it is well under $1,000)!:headbang: :ohhh yeah: :rolling laughter:

hey it is trevally now :rolling laughter: :rolling laughter:

[storms72]

You will always be quinnie mate.......why change your name quinnie suits you mate change it to that...I'd rather be named after a boat than a fish.:rolling laughter:

[quintrex101]

i ask kamil or one of the mods

[mulloway mayhem]

so what rods did you buy pip and what reels and how much did they sting you for the gear...why didnt you ask me to get em for you,you know what i get em for....or are you to proud to ask me for a favour now.....:rolling laughter:

[storms72]

I guess he didn't buy anything but Shimano and Wilson.:headbang:

[fishinf]

i was in my local tackle shop the other day
i was buying line and i seen a shakspear rod so cheap
i had to buy it perfect for bottom bashing 25 bucks :cool-smiley:

[TomMc]

i was in my local tackle shop the other day
i was buying line and i seen a shakspear rod so cheap
i had to buy it perfect for bottom bashing 25 bucks :cool-smiley:

that sounds like an awesome buy fishinf!
i might go check my local bait and tackle out as i need some new gear.

[storms72]

YeeeeeeeeeeeeeeHaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.......new combo is in the house, cant wait to get out and give it a try...Been playing with my 6500 and beach rod (yeah its only the starlo stick heavy but geez it has some power in the butt huge improvement over my current rod, 60lb braid-0.45 super supple, should cast like a dream....Fellas I'm excited can't wait to give it a try. Should just have it worn in in time for the meet and the big jewie test. Hope my Diawa boat rod will be up to it!

Thanks for all the advice guys

Also organised the next aquisition, raider snapper rod, symetre 4000, 20lb braid....will be ready for some serious spinning soon! Thanks for the advice Joe, Kris and Stef.

:red party: :party:

[netic]

Good to see you got some new gear Pipperty...buying gear is great fun...rigging it up etc...love doing it all.....

Shimano have some massive specials on at the moment on Baitrunenrs and Tekotas.....definately a great time to buy...

What gear did you pick up??

[2Pipperty]

What gear did you pick up??[/quote]

Hi Netic,

I picked up a Daiwa set up. Realy happy with my purchase... What realy made up my mind to buy the Daiwa instead of the Shinamo 6500 is that when I was out last and got a 20 kg Jewie I had the thing on full lock and gave it everything I had and it was still screaming....
The Shimano has about a 4-6kg drag limit and the Daiwa has 15kg drag limit.
So if I land a good size Jewie I can lock it up and turn him around quite quick, but I will have to be carefull not to lock it up too hard and too quick as I won't want to loose the fish either.
I could have bought a Wilson Texie and Shimano 6500 setup and the guy was happy to sell me one, he even asked me if I wanted to buy some of his used Texie and Shimano setups if I wanted as he has now changed all his gear to Daiwa.
I am no expert, as a matter a fact I am far from it so I have taken on board what the salesman has told me... I may turn out to be really happy or not happy at all with my purchase. I explained to him that their is no point selling me something that is no good as I won't be back and he totally agreed....
I got all the gear I bought with 300m of 80 pound tuff line, so I am all ready to go.....
He has guaranteed me that the rod will handle a 40 kg Jewie or he will give me my money back so that was comforting.....
Anyway, stay tuned in the coming months I hope to have my first Jewie on my new gear..... :headbang:

[xtosea]

Good work Pip, Daiwa are a top choice. You will be happy with it thats for sure. Out of curiosity, what reel did you get?
That is so true about the Shimano only putting out so much drag, i always questioned whether it was viable to put anything more than 30lb on them? They cant put out anymore drag than 5kg, so running 50lb braid or more on them in my eyes was always a query? If your drags are set correctly, you should have faith in your gear, and run what is rated for the reel and rod. Braid breaks well above its breaking strain, Tuff Line is a top Braid, i have used it for years.
Cant wait to see your first Big Mumma Jew in the summer.
All the best with it as i am sure you will get one, having been taught by Wayne, i'm sure that fish is only around the corner.

Kamil

[netic]

mate sounds good...Daiwa makes some great reels and im sure you will be happy with the reel.....if you do buy a shimano 6500 in the future be aware that there is a drag washer upgrade for them which will allow you to up the drag considerably without comprimising smoothness....

[mulloway mayhem]

pip i thought i taught you better then that mate....when you landed that 20kg jew it was on my penn reel not my 6500......silly silly silly mate.....

daiwa...you fool....i thought you listened to everything i said mate......6500 with new washers mate......oh well you will learn......

and what ever daiwa rod you got go smash it mate i tried to help you and you listened to a moron.....help yourself mate......cos you ont get another jew on that crap mate.....some of the best jew fishos use wilson rods and 6500s....greg joyces and glenny and i tried to teach you but you dont wanna learn....

[netic]

Wayneo....like me your obviously very much a Shimano man and in my opinion they are hard to beat.

But Daiwa do make some awesome reels, If he got the reel i think he did....the bg90 he will have no problem pulling in big fish....The daiwa bg90 is a powerful reel that i have personally seen pull in 15kg kings....It is equal or if not better then the penn 8500.

All that said i always thought the baitrunner feature was a big bonus for Jew fishing but hey, Im not a jew fishing expert.

[mulloway mayhem]

netic the jew pip caught and he thought he caught with the 6500 it was the penn 8500......im not al that impressed with the penn reel.....the shimano s hi t s all over it....when you put the carbin fibre washers in em they are awsome...

it doesnt matter as its his gear not mine....

[xtosea]

On a Penn 9500 i caught my first Black Marlin of about 25kg, i would say they are incredible reels myself for the price! They are very sentimental reels to me, although not made anymore.
But like Wayne says the BTR 6500 are awesome too for the price! Very hard to match it thats for sure!

[bimini]

Hey 2Pipperty

How you going mate

Seriously take that Diawa back and get your money back. Take the money and buy a NEW 6500b. (+_ $ 190.00 )

How many BIG jewies has the bloke who sold you the reel caught?

If its more than either Glenny, Wayno or Joycie then I will sell all my 6500s and buy Diawas.

Don't be like me and learn the hard way!

Bimini

[storms72]

Fishinf, talk bout good buys at our local....How bout $25.00 for a Silstar 15-24kg YFT rod....picking it up tomorrow so I'm ready for sunday week. You guys may laugh but I will be putting my 6500 on it, mate I'm gonna give it a go who knows I may just have a tale to tell and a pic or two.(he's also got one with a roller tip for $30 PM me if you want details, I can get it held for someone if they like)....


Pip Your choice! What you do with your money is ok with me. I must say you were one of many who commented on my post on okuma or shimano baitrunner and at no time did anyone mention anything but shimano....Diawa didn't even come into it....I guess I'm suprised thats all.....Watch out for some guys in the tackle stores not all of them have your best intrests at heart, after all thats their livelihood and as I was recently told Shimano's don't have as much margin for the retailer as opposed to other brands! My local tackle guy is having the slowest winter for a few years I guess many others would be in the same situation, running at a loss for a few months can make good people do strange things.

I'm stoked with my 6500, just gotta get out to try it!

Good luck with your jew fishing mate.

[netic]

Fishinf, talk bout good buys at our local....How bout $25.00 for a Silstar 15-24kg YFT rod....picking it up tomorrow so I'm ready for sunday week. You guys may laugh but I will be putting my 6500 on it, mate I'm gonna give it a go who knows I may just have a tale to tell and a pic or two.(he's also got one with a roller tip for $30 PM me if you want details, I can get it held for someone if they like)....


Pip Your choice! What you do with your money is ok with me. I must say you were one of many who commented on my post on okuma or shimano baitrunner and at no time did anyone mention anything but shimano....Diawa didn't even come into it....I guess I'm suprised thats all.....Watch out for some guys in the tackle stores not all of them have your best intrests at heart, after all thats their livelihood and as I was recently told Shimano's don't have as much margin for the retailer as opposed to other brands! My local tackle guy is having the slowest winter for a few years I guess many others would be in the same situation, running at a loss for a few months can make good people do strange things.

I'm stoked with my 6500, just gotta get out to try it!

Good luck with your jew fishing mate.

Storms, As much as i rate the BR reels i think you are definately skating on thin ice to use it for YFT.....when YFT run they run and run hard...sometimes taking up to 300 to 400 metres of line in very fast time, and then they stop and sit for ages ...this puts amazing strain on a reel and the drag......with a BR the chance of being spooled is very high....especially since 50kg models dont seem to rare this year..you dont wanna be onto a fish of a lifetime only to be spooled......bad feeling bud trust me......

You can get good reels like the TLD 25 which are tough and will handle most tuna which will hold 600m of 30lb line for under $200 spooled.....

a BR 6500 only holds 185m of 30lb......thats a big difference mate...even the smaller YFT of about 20kg ( which if you do get on i think its a high chance it will be 20kg or bigger) will take 100 metres off a 5 kg drag no sweat.....some will take 150 metres in a single run.....if that happens its bye bye fishy...

Im sure Stef, james and Kamil would agree with the above statement,

Just dont want you to lose a great fish due to tackle failure.

[storms72]

Thanks for that Netic....I am already planning to get a tld25 (kamil said top value and good reel) once I finish paying off my spinning combo. I have been having a look at the rod and its really not suitable for the 6500 with the type of guides it has on it. I will be using my shakespeare overhead on the new rod and the 6500 on my ugly stik(10-15kg). I will also use my trusty old diawa boat rod with my just serviced silstar reel. The 6500 has been loaded with 300m of 60lb braid and about 30m of mono backing. The overhead has 420m of 30lb mono and the silstar has approx 400m of 50lb braid. Yeah I know if I hook up to something big I will be in trouble but I would rather get spooled than get no bites at all.

[netic]

Storms...the ovearhead seems like the best option, good amount of line....don't know how much drag it can push as i dont know those reels very well but im sure it will pump out more then 6-7 kg as it looks like a decent size.

That rod should do the job also....some $40 rods are as tough as nails...the Penn Mariner Plus series are amounst the strongest i have seen and they are under $50...the difference between a quality rod and a cheaper one is the difficulty it takes out of the fight for you......a good rod will take some of the load off and distribute it throughout the rod and not just put all the weight on the reel seat.

Lets us know how you go and how the reel stands up after the get a YFT, be be warned...it may need a service after one YFT...they can really do some damage to drag systems.

[xtosea]

Guys some excellent advice there from Netic, no arguments here! He is speaking from experience, let me put it this way in agrreance with Netic,a 50kg YFT will take nearly 500m of 10kg line in its first run as a general rule! Some fish may not, like the very odd one, but generally that is the rule. Off course if your using 15kg or 24kg then it would be less but they still run bloody hard! I have caught 10kg Fin on a BTR 6500 , but thats the max size i would want to target with a reel like that.
Thanks for your help Oz.
Jase, that overhead you have pictured should be ok on the larger fish, but for how many, i dont know! Maybe it only has one fish in it, maybe more? But the TLD will get you many fish for some time before giving up!
Kamil

[fishinf]

man this is making me dizzy i still catch snapper on an alvey :alcho:

i was planing to use them for jew :rolleyes:

[mulloway mayhem]

i was planing to use them for jew :rolleyes:[/quote]

you could but lets all cross our fingers and hope you dont get one over 6kg......:rolling laughter: ......or you will always be able to tell the story about the one that got away.......:rolling laughter:

[fishinf]

i was planing to use them for jew :rolleyes:

you could but lets all cross our fingers and hope you dont get one over 6kg......:rolling laughter: ......or you will always be able to tell the story about the one that got away.......:rolling laughter:[/quote]
this big stuff is very new to me
i also have the same overhead as storms
i might have to start geting new gear :ranting2:
the misses cant find out :wiink:

[quintrex101]

man this is making me dizzy i still catch snapper on an alvey :alcho:

i was planing to use them for jew :rolleyes:

i got a alvey and that fits me down to the ground, i caught some of my best fish on that alvey, 6 ich by the way, i was thinking to use it for jews but then seen my 8000 penn threadline reel and prolly use that:beerchug:

[hoodlum]

Wayneo....like me your obviously very much a Shimano man and in my opinion they are hard to beat.

But Daiwa do make some awesome reels, If he got the reel i think he did....the bg90 he will have no problem pulling in big fish....The daiwa bg90 is a powerful reel that i have personally seen pull in 15kg kings....It is equal or if not better then the penn 8500.

All that said i always thought the baitrunner feature was a big bonus for Jew fishing but hey, Im not a jew fishing expert.


Did we ever find out what reel pip purchased??? You mentioned bg90??
Well it could also be 6500 saltiga expedition or dog fight. I have read about these long runs from the jews on the BR6500. i HAVE USED the BR for years. Only had 5-6 dramas in last 5 yrs. Dam good reel. But I also have used my 6500 GT DAIWA and I can tell you that the long runs don't last long anymore. With new carbon drags, 27kg drag pressure makes 20-40kg jewies go to sleep real quick.!!! No need for more than 300 mtres with that reel,

Hoodlum

[xtosea]

Yeah we never found out what reel he got yet?
If it is a Saltiga, then you are spot on Hoodlum.
I would love one of them but just dont see a need for one yet, i will find a reason for one soon though, maybe a marlin on threadline out of Sydney? mmm, think i want one now! hehe

Kamil

[storms72]

I agree there Kamil, netic's info was appreciated and I thanked him for it. The overhead reel I have would probably crap itself pretty quickly as its not very expensive and I would expect the drag pressure I would need to exert would trash the washers pretty quickly. A new overhead will be on the cards for me in a few months will ask for opinions on the best to suit my irregular outside fishing when the time comes, till then Kamil can I borrow one of your unsmoked tiagras.:rolling laughter: :rolling laughter: :rolling laughter:

Fishinf, I have a large silstar spinning reel you could probably borrow for the meet, I don't think I will be using it.....just had fully overhauled with new bearings, drag washers, main gear....she's hummin! will let you know closed to the date!

Fishinf, you can store your secret gear at my place if you like or just do what I did, build a rack for it all and she won't notice when you add a rod/reel or two.

I know this is a big ask but you never know if you don't....anyone have a more suitable reel to use for my YFT mission sunday week....I don't expect a reply to this but would be stoked if I did get one.

[xtosea]

Jase your Silstar should be fine, the only problem is the speed of the run of the fish, the level wind that it has on it may not keep up with the speed of the line leaving the spool? Other than that it should be ok, the BTR 6500 will prolly stop a fish to 20kg but it will take its toll on the reel. If you want i will lend you a rod if i can get to you somehow? I will ring you and see.

Kamil

[mulloway mayhem]

talked to pip yesterday about what he got......butthead talked him into buying a daiwa rod and reel combo.......i said that dave is sponsered by daiwa and he would have made more money on the combo then if he bought the 6500 and a texie......

what are your thoughts on this Kman as i told pip to take em back and exchange em....pip also said it wasnt a $$ thing its just that dave told him this was a better option.....i totally disagree.....i think dave knew that pip was just getting in the fishing seen and is taking full advantage of his limited knowledge at the moment....

im hoping pip hoes back and gets his cash back and listens to what in trying to say to him.....

pip just take em back.....get 2 texies.....3 6500s and i got you texie here still and you will get plenty of good years out of that gear.......

Kman,back me up he needs to understand what im saying.....

[xtosea]

Wayne i still don't know what reel he got? If he lets us know then maybe we can help? The BTR's are incredible reels for the price, you will not get any arguments there from anyone thats for sure.
It all depends on which Daiwa he got? For you and me Wayne there is no equal reel for $180! I have had them for decades and some although have had it, others are still performing like new.
No one is arguing with you Wayne, you're advice is spot on, Glenn, you, Greg, me and everyone i know that fishes for big Jews uses them, others i know like the Wuntucks use TLD's! These fish at that size in their first run will test all tackle, termninal knots, rods and the angler themself!

Now what did you get Pip? I think we need some explaining! Do tell! No one is going to judge your decision, as Daiwa make some awesome Reels! I know Kris, Stef and Lee know their reels extremely well! Their input here will be appreciated too!

Kamil

[mulloway mayhem]

look iknow he didnt get saltigas or a big name reel...

he got a combo for a price which i wont say untill he does.....but for the price he paid i think he couldve done better.....

i talked to him yesterday and he was thinking of taken them back......the reel was around the same price as a 6500 and compare the 2 and the 6500 is better...we just wait and find out what he bought then we smash him.....:rolling laughter:

[storms72]

Thanks for the offer Kamil....I am more than happy to use my silstar rod I just bought if its ok to borrow a reel (Promise I will bring it back exactly the same condition as it was in when you loan it to me, if you feel once returned that it needs a service hopefully due to a YFT workout I will happily pay for the service) and will put my overhead back on the ugly stik. Can use my 6500 on the diawa rod and the silstar will be my back-up.

Theres a few large diawa reels pip could've got for that price.....what did he get?

Guys I'm not very knowledgable as far as rods go but, the diawa rod I have model:tm8702mfs has been great no failures at all for approx 8yrs and yes I have actually caught some good fish on it. It has been my multi purpose rod and has done me fine. I expect its not as good as a wilson though.

[hoodlum]

I have seen the combos at the store. They were a set that Diawa gave dave Butfield on site at Brookvale to basicly hand out at no cost. They were cheap I remember that. I just can"t recall the models.


Dave told me He was at Diawa Head office filming for his show and the MD gave him 5- 6 sets FOR nix to try out. They looked ok! For the Price. But as I said I have never seen the specs on them as they are not in the australian brochures. And I have never laid eyes on them before

I will try and find them on the net

Hoodlum

[2Pipperty]

[quote=xtosea]Wayne i still don't know what reel he got? If he lets us know then maybe we can help?

Guys they are Opus Bull 6000 series, see details (web link) below. Can someone tell me the honest truth whether these are going to be ok or should I be changing them to 6500's.
If you say I should be changing them can you please advise reasons why.
I am open to everyones sugestions and at the end of the day it is each to their own so I won't be offended by anyones opinions......

http://www.daiwafishing.com.au/index.cfm?section=OurProducts&sub=SaltSpin&product=Opus

[mulloway mayhem]

change em........

[imnotafish]

Hey Stormy....
Change em,..... :rofl:

ok here are some reasons....

the baitrunner is a solidly made reel with 20 years of trial and error to iron out any issues. the opus is a much less sturdy reel without a btr function or waterproof drag etc. and in that price range the daiwas are worse at resisting rust etc from salt water use than the shimanos are. I would get a 4500 and mebbe 3500 (or even better a 4500 and then a mid range overhead) - not just all 6500's.
the opus bull is also about to be released as a combo with an equivalent jig rod though for a pretty good price.
But everyone who owns a baitrunner will tell you they still run flawlessly after 10 years, and catch big fish

(then you are also gonna need the TLD kamil was on about)
The ugly stick overhead reel you have will be no good for tuna as it is, mostly cos it has a line guide that will probably stuff up on you on the first run of a decent 'fin.
the drags and stuff wouldnt be perfect but would still potentially land you a fin if you had enough line but you would need to take the line guide off first.
Not being lever drag could be an issue too, though not the end of the world.

Hope this helps you mate
Stef

[mulloway mayhem]

hey steff i think you are a bit mixed up....piperty is the one that bought the daiwa reel and is wandering whether he should change to the br6500 and storms is asking about overhead reels such as the tld ect....

get with the program mate.......:rolling laughter:

[James]

For you and me Wayne there is no equal reel for $180!

Kamil

daiwa sealine overhead 40 or 50 is in that price range and would rip the guts out of a 6500 and would last the same distance.

i choose the 6500 as they are more user friedly

[storms72]

Thanks stef, I got it......will remove the line guide before giving it a go.

[xtosea]

James i know exactly what your saying and you are right, but you cant compare an overhead like that to an eggbeater, different reels! For that price range a TLD 25 will also surpass all of them. Just you can't really cast a Daiwa overhead or TLD like an eggbeater, making distance when spreading baits out an issue to someone that has not been around them for a while? Ican cast a TLD but not as far as a BTR.

Pip, the reel looks good, i cannot comment on them as i have never used one, but they look nice. I have never had a problem with Daiwa threadlines and find them awesome, but in the similar price range i can not bring myself changing from BTR because i know what they can handle time and time again. Use it by all means, in this day and age, most reels that come out now are pretty good!, all reels will get you fish don't worry about that, its just how many fish can they catch before they poop themselves?

All the best with it and let us know how they go if you decide to keep it.

Kamil

[netic]

Pipperty....

Mate those reels don't look too bad.....Like Kamil i havent used or even held one for that matter but on the quick research i did it seems that will be ok...will they be ok in 5 years??? Who knows.....thats where the BR's definately get over the line for me....we know they will be good in five years..


You gotta remember mate when you first get into fishing on a serious level that most tackle store staff have there favourite brands and higher profit products and the advice they give you is not always the best advice.

I don't know Dave and don't know how he operates but the best place to get info from would be from a place like this, mainly because people here use the tackle on a regurlar basis and they have Zero to gain from your purchase.

I got a lot of dodgy info from tackle shops staff when i first started fishing and now i know better.

Perfect example is Compleat Angler at Villawood, great store but the staff push you towards Daiwa heaps....they say the STellas are no way near as good as the Saltigas......then i become mates with one of the guys and find out that they make double the commision on selling the Saltiga over the Stella.....

When buying any gear ask questions here first, you will get honest answers..

But with everything i have learnt since becomeing a serious fisho i can giv you one bit of advice that won't let you down..

You can't go wrong with shimano, Low end or top end, they are to Tackle what Toyota is to the vehicle industry, the solid performer who won't let you down or leave you high and dry

[leelee]

The Opus Bull is a solid peice of machinary for its price, but it has not baitrunner feature like the BTR's.

I have a 3500 BTR and I have had it for years now and the only problem it has given me was a sever case of corrosion. I always look after my reels and this is the first one that has given me greif. It was fixed and I was told that the BTR's have so many different types of metal in them that is can be a common occurance. But is this a dowside of the reel, no i don't think it is as its working flawlessly now and its in brand new condition. Its the only Shimano spin reel I own, so I think thats says enough of how good they are. Awsome value for money and a proven Jew slayer in the Hawkesbury.

Time will tell about the Opus Bull, but all will be forgotten if you land a 20kg jew on the Opus Bull.

Cheers

Lee

P.S Dunphy actually designed and sold the BTR idea to Shimano. The SHIMANO BTR was designed by an Aussie. Most of you guys know this but I thought I woudl tell the others that possibly don't.

[hoodlum]

Yes Time will tell. But the right braid and leader you will be on par.
With a few ongoing techniques. It;s weight is well balanced according to the specs. Just keep it cleaned and greased..

IMHO
The BTR is a great set and forget anchor. I have recently up graded MY 6500's washes to the genuine shimi smoothies, it's now so smooth and holds another 4- 5kgs more. But one thing I have always had a problem with is it's weight. Not a good reel to use in general due to it's weight. But to leave in a rod holder in the hawks Best value for money For Jews!!!! t. $180.00 is great value/ For strong reel.

Some of us are fortunate enough to have many reels for certain fish and locations. But Price does come into it for others. Congrats on the Big o". Pip look forward to hearing that sound on u tube with the Big "O"

But Pip what was the rod with the combo. I just can't recal?? Was it a saltist??? Daiwa rod of some sort??

Hoodlum

[2Pipperty]

To everyone that has responded to this thread I thank you for your imput. Netic I totaly agree that this is one of the reasons why sites like these are good as people given you honest answers with nothing to gain on their opinions.
I am getting new gear on Monday and will have 3 WILSON/6500 setups for the warmer days to come. :Sunny2:
Thanks guys you have all been a great help!!!!!

[mulloway mayhem]

smart man pip...also i still got your texie here for ya to...:headbang:

[2Pipperty]

Thanks Wayneo, that is appreciated..... Looks like it will be a 2 x Wilson purchase and a 3 x 6500... Where do I buy the washers from, are they necessary and if so who fits them??

[mulloway mayhem]

when you get the reels i will order some for you and some for me and i will fit them for the both of us

[2Pipperty]

Thanks for that, I pick up the 2500 yard 80 pound yellow tough line, do you want some of what I have or one for yourself?

[mulloway mayhem]

maybe we should just go halves in it....your 3 reels and my 3 reels....

[2Pipperty]

sure, it is $420 for the 2500 yard, that is the cheapest I can get it for... Since your going to spend the time to do them, if you want just give me $150 and you can keep the 400m left on it.

[mulloway mayhem]

we work it out......hakves is fine with me.....

[hoodlum]

Wayneo, I would say , next to jewie Jim You have landed more large jew fish than most. Honestly what is the largest amount of spool have you let out on the BTR 6500??? Without after market washes???

When ordering the washes Email Jack eskine re the BTR 6500. aND cARBONTEX INSTEAD of the genuine shimi washes. I have just changed mine to genuine, But I am sure you can get a better result from the carbontex washes. Around $25.00 either brand.

[mulloway mayhem]

yeah i will order some from him...thanks mate...

what do u mean what is the largest amount of spool i have let out??not sure what u mean...sorry mate

[hoodlum]

yeah i will order some from him...thanks mate...

what do u mean what is the largest amount of spool i have let out??not sure what u mean...sorry mate

Length or amount of line !!! You have ever had to hand out to a 30kg fish in the hawks on a BTR 6500, Thats all, sorry for the wording mate.

Cheers.

[mulloway mayhem]

mate i have been nearly spooled and ended up losing the fish......ive had fish take almost 200mtrs......so i have had some really good big runs and thats fishing with locked up drag.....

[hoodlum]

mate i have been nearly spooled and ended up losing the fish......ive had fish take almost 200mtrs......so i have had some really good big runs and thats fishing with locked up drag.....

Did u see that Latest video from Craig mcgill " Local Knowedge" were Jewie Jim Lands the 34kg fish. To me it seemed like an easy ride in, I thought to myself if it fought hard they would of showed it! He lost 50metres max it seemed. I just have not seen a over 30kg fish take more than 100metres on a6500 BTR. Maybe terrain has alot to do with it or tide I guess.

Call me crazy!
But I feel even better sometimes when I large fish takes it all during a Long fight. As long as I know what type of fish it is I don't get to fussed. Once I had a tuna on light outfit . I would say around 25-30kgs on 18Lb braid and 40ld leader on a 4-8kg rod. It took me around 30mins to loose around 200metres. Considering we met at 10metres to the boat and twice the Champion ran away with around 150 mtres. The last run, I had him at 5 metres to the stern. He was a great fish and I Figured I did every thing I could to land Him. I was using high grade gear and thats what makes the fun last longer. It adds the spice. You can use light line with quality reels and rods and the fight has it all.
I enjoy it more than using 50lb and 80ld leaders on a 24kg rod.
Anyway thats MO....

Cheers

[James]

Did u see that Latest video from Craig mcgill " Local Knowedge" were Jewie Jim Lands the 34kg fish. To me it seemed like an easy ride in, I thought to myself if it fought hard they would of showed it! He lost 50metres max it seemed. I just have not seen a over 30kg fish take more than 100metres on a6500 BTR. Maybe terrain has alot to do with it or tide I guess.


Cheers

it comes across as a very sluggish fish and at first i thought it was a pre hooked fish sent out for the the cameras but i doubt it.

ive put it down to a winter fish which was rather sluggish, it was caught in august.

[2Pipperty]

where can I veiw this footage, is it online to stream or download???

[netic]

I enjoy it more than using 50lb and 80ld leaders on a 24kg rod.
Anyway thats MO....

Cheers


I would really have to disagree with that comment....When we fish for Tuna we go with four blokes....if someone is fishing say 15-20 line it takes them twice as long to bring there fish in which then doesnt allow us to end the fight and get others on....we have had double hook ups where the guy on 24kg is done in 20 minutes and we are waiting for another 40 minutes for the guy on 8kg.....

Burns up prime time...and plus...i hate losing fish period!!.....i can only imagine that if i was fishing for jews and waiting for a good bite for hours and finally i get a good taker...a 30kg plus fish...then to lose the fish bcuase i was didnt have a stronger line class....i ould be spewing......thats nothing worse then losing a really big fish....it can play on your mind for ages.....so i choose to fish the heavier classes and reduce my losses

[xtosea]

Hoodlum, about the video Local Knowledge, they make it look like Jim hooks the fish, but if you look closely he doesn't, they missed the camera work for the first run! That blistering first run is not seen, so its not the best video to see a big Jews first run! Believe me people over 25kg they run and run some more and then a bit more, they give it all they got, sure it may just be a one big run, but its big.

I still remember 2 years ago Hawkesbury Classic, Glenny, Wayneo and Me anchored in a row, Glenny's rod went off! He had it locked and this fish was screaming!!!!! The obsenities heard straight after the fish was lost i'll never forget! Glenny with his jumper over his hand could not pull line off the reel, thats how much drag he had on it!
Top discussion fellas

Kamil

[leelee]

I would really have to disagree with that comment....When we fish for Tuna we go with four blokes....if someone is fishing say 15-20 line it takes them twice as long to bring there fish in which then doesnt allow us to end the fight and get others on....we have had double hook ups where the guy on 24kg is done in 20 minutes and we are waiting for another 40 minutes for the guy on 8kg.....

Burns up prime time...and plus...i hate losing fish period!!.....i can only imagine that if i was fishing for jews and waiting for a good bite for hours and finally i get a good taker...a 30kg plus fish...then to lose the fish bcuase i was didnt have a stronger line class....i ould be spewing......thats nothing worse then losing a really big fish....it can play on your mind for ages.....so i choose to fish the heavier classes and reduce my losses

Agree here with OZ 100% and if you are trying to catch a feed of fish, no matter what species, then the longer you fight the fish, the more damage to the flesh is done with lactic acid.

Sportsfishing is great but trying to prove a point that you can catch a big fish on small line or small gear is sometimes not called for espcially if there are others on the boat to think about.

Cheers

Lee

[hoodlum]

I would really have to disagree with that comment....When we fish for Tuna we go with four blokes....if someone is fishing say 15-20 line it takes them twice as long to bring there fish in which then doesnt allow us to end the fight and get others on....we have had double hook ups where the guy on 24kg is done in 20 minutes and we are waiting for another 40 minutes for the guy on 8kg.....

Burns up prime time...and plus...i hate losing fish period!!.....i can only imagine that if i was fishing for jews and waiting for a good bite for hours and finally i get a good taker...a 30kg plus fish...then to lose the fish bcuase i was didnt have a stronger line class....i ould be spewing......thats nothing worse then losing a really big fish....it can play on your mind for ages.....so i choose to fish the heavier classes and reduce my losses

Netic,kamil

Yes I don't disagree at all with your comments. I guess common sense should always be the standard, re eating the fish and so on!. A few things I forgot to mention. Other than Bait I never keep tuna no matter how big they are. So I guess my reasons is catch & release.

In repect to the the others in the Boat, (depending on who they are) my fishos are ALL in it for the thrill and sport. So each of us respect the situatioN at the time. And for that reason
We usualy fish with no more than 3 and normaly 2 - 3 per 7 - 10 metre boat. And further more have had many double hook ups and tripples on tuna without any tangles. Yes I know the golden rule is that all others should have no lines in the water if hooked on a good fish. And again Common sense would be the case if the fish is really large or a PB.

I have shared and mainly fished in the past in a Trophy 2503 centre console just over 7.5 metres and it is heaven to fish from. If anyone gets a chance go for it. Some times we pass each other doing laps on the boat. We have never had any major down time in regards to using lite! gear.

I am looking forward to august Boat show, I have finaly obtained the green light from the wife to take the next step into my life and get "WHALER" 320 OUTRAGE. I must be dreaming still":beerchug: I have been without a boat in sydney for 4 years now and I have come to wits end sharing and shirttailing.

Kamil this is good discussion.

Cheers
Hoodlum

[mulloway mayhem]

hay fellas,peolple laugh st me when i say i use 80lbbreaid but i was taught by the best and i have been spooled by domr big fish....if i was fishiong in 80 mtrs of water that would be differnet,also if i hooked up every time i went out that would be different to....

big big jews arent caught every day so when i hook up i dont wanna be busted off by these big fish...

i know all this talk about wach to their own but when you lose a big jew ci u are useing 50lb well in my opinion thats stupid........i hear about guys saying where is the thrill but for me its all about enjoying being out there and hooling a big jew and then its about landing the fish.....

i know some guys here think jews are easy but that forst run is massive and there isnt many fish out there that can spool you in 30 secs....

just my thoughts

[hoodlum]

Jews to pull!!!

Wayneo & OTHERS!!did u get to see the Fishing WA show a week ago re the BLACK JEWS!!!

why are the bLACK JEWS of the NT rated up there with samson fish as the Hardest fighters.

Why is the Black Jew so much fitter and stronger then its southern eastern brother??

On the show they hooked up 4 of the buggers 2 on small marlin set ups 80Lb line & 120lb and still busted off. Poor hook ties, reef cut offs and sheer power seemed to be the obvious reasons. But they were struggling and exusted during the fights. 30- 50kg they were after. Steve Corria form F WA mentioned they are way stronger than any jews or other same weighted fish.

Hoodlum

[xtosea]

Is there a misunderstanding here?

[hoodlum]

Kamil I am as confused as you?, Firstly This is not an apology

I guess that was a NO Wayne missed that Show.If you PM me I will have no dramas in sending you a copy.

Wayne Sorry you have taken offence to what Question I asked. I was only asking you as I imagined you have more experience with the Jews. I will kindly amend it now to ask the forum.

But if you have another look at the question, It was not directed at your style or gear. I have only ever caught a jews off the beach and the largest would be struggling to be over 12kgs. I have no experience with deep runs from Big jews thats why I have asked these questions to help me know a little more, The latest videos such as yours and others do give one a better idea I guess. Since seeing these in the last 3-4 years In sydney Lately I have been very keen to learn and have a crack at serious Jews. I am from SE QLD and was born near moreton island so I have not had any rivers of such to experience your type of fishing Any one who would not admire your work or information would be I hard task marker.

Hope this clears things, In no way have I ever or will ever denigrate someones ideas or beliefs ,If not let me know ,

Cheers

[leelee]

Jews to pull!!!

Wayneo & OTHERS!!did u get to see the Fishing WA show a week ago re the BLACK JEWS!!!

why are the bLACK JEWS of the NT rated up there with samson fish as the Hardest fighters.

Why is the Black Jew so much fitter and stronger then its southern eastern brother??

On the show they hooked up 4 of the buggers 2 on small marlin set ups 80Lb line & 120lb and still busted off. Poor hook ties, reef cut offs and sheer power seemed to be the obvious reasons. But they were struggling and exusted during the fights. 30- 50kg they were after. Steve Corria form F WA mentioned they are way stronger than any jews or other same weighted fish.

Hoodlum

Hoddlum I know Steve and Ryan and yes I have the series in which they fought the black jews.

Never caught one so I can't compare but both Ryan and Steve know how to fish.

Its a good series I think

There are other ways to catch them as youmayor may not have seen but they are a seperate species, thus will have different characteristics and they live in a different water temps, environment blah blah the list goes on.

Its like comparing apples to oranges.

Myself personally I have only ever witnessed a huge jew run and it was fishing at Bar Point on my bream combo and it ran for ages, took a break the ran again and wasted us.

Cheers

Lee

[hoodlum]

Yes lee thanks, I have watched a few episodes of black jews, They look the same from the naked eye? But I did notice they mentioned that the species are only from the top end.

But that episode where they filmed for 17 hours and could not land one was pretty awsome to watch. And those guy's new their stuff. The gear they were using was strong. Including line. But the sheer power impressed me I had no idea a Jew had so much power.

cheers

Hoodlum

[storms72]

Isn't the diversity of fishing great....I understand all your points and does it matter if I agree or disagree, in a word NO. I enjoy using light line for casting lures and if I used braid could go much heavier but don't like using it off the rocks for lure fishing as I really enjoy the challenge taylor, salmon and makerel give me on 4lb line.

I have spooled up my other reels with 50 and 60lb braid to give me a good chance when (Please soon, I need to catch a decent fish ) fighting something a little larger and also helps when I have to haul them up with the wash to the shelf.

I have learnt a fair bit from this thread, thanks to all who have posted.

:hellyeah:

[fishinf]

year this thread has really opened up my eyes to

[storms72]

How did you go Topipperty......what was your final decision on your new gear?

[mack90]

hey boys
I have caught my fair of black jews over the years (maybe 15- 20)
i am only a young pup 15 years old, but we have all ways use 50lb+ line if we were hunting black jews, cause of the likely hood of getting our line rubbed up against a reef or a larger black jew coming to the party or even better the chance of a spanish mack ripping into us was never a good thought.
Also the black jews only really come on the bite for about 1
-2 hours on the slack tide
now why the black jew fight 100 time better than its southern cousin i think it has to do with the area they live in
the tide, the food supply, what other fish they have to fight for food with, what number are they on the food chain, plus about 50 other things, plus they are only cousin they aint the same fish, its like which is tougher a black or a pikey bream see black bream what line class 6lb pikey bream line class 12-15lb + why its were they live and what other fish they have to live with which is tougher black for sure
ok I will shut up now :rolling laughter: :rolling laughter:

jack

[hoodlum]

hey boys
I have caught my fair of black jews over the years (maybe 15- 20)
i am only a young pup 15 years old, but we have all ways use 50lb+ line if we were hunting black jews, cause of the likely hood of getting our line rubbed up against a reef or a larger black jew coming to the party or even better the chance of a spanish mack ripping into us was never a good thought.
Also the black jews only really come on the bite for about 1
-2 hours on the slack tide
now why the black jew fight 100 time better than its southern cousin i think it has to do with the area they live in
the tide, the food supply, what other fish they have to fight for food with, what number are they on the food chain, plus about 50 other things, plus they are only cousin they aint the same fish, its like which is tougher a black or a pikey bream see black bream what line class 6lb pikey bream line class 12-15lb + why its were they live and what other fish they have to live with which is tougher black for sure
ok I will shut up now :rolling laughter: :rolling laughter:

jack

15 Black jews mck90 well done , What was the biggest and have you lost any on the way in???

100 times times might be a bit rich or we all would need an electric winch:smiile: .
Those reasons YOU GAVE are interesting, I never thought of the other food chain up there to be a factor, But in that area I would pull a bit harder to get out of reach of a spanish Mack and the other meat eaters. I guess they stay close to the reefs alot more than the Mulloway to be safe. They look alot thiner than the Jewfish too. I have not seen any large thick bellies . I always wanted to go nth and fish Barra , But now I think I will have another target!

Anyway good to see you have had experience with them and so young as well!!


Hoodlum

[mack90]

Biggest i have caught was 16.9kg, but have lost what we thought were big jews a few times. Grandfather lost one which was about 30kg+ ?? was on the surface when it got swamped by about 6-9 little whaler sharks lol it was the best thing i had ever seen they made mince meat of that fish in about 10 seconds
As for hundred times better i would stick to that they are one of the best sport fish up the top end unlike the southern jew who kinda give in after the first few run these guys just keep on fighting
you do get the odd fat one but most are real fit fish
and as for barra they are fun to catch bit there are better sport fish than barra up north

jack

[xtosea]

How did you go Topipperty......what was your final decision on your new gear?

Read back a page or two:rolleyes:

[2Pipperty]

How did you go Topipperty......what was your final decision on your new gear?

Hey Storms,

I have a texie at home already but no reel for it so I have ordered 2 10-15kilo texies and 3 x 6500's.
Get in all mid next week.:headbang:

[2Pipperty]

it comes across as a very sluggish fish and at first i thought it was a pre hooked fish sent out for the the cameras but i doubt it.

ive put it down to a winter fish which was rather sluggish, it was caught in august.

Where is this footage to be viewed can someone please tell me.........:ranting2:

[xtosea]

Pip, its a DVD that has just come out not long ago. It is in most shops.
As to it being a sluggish winter fish, hmmm, the water down South Oz way is colder than here and there are many big jews down there that go hard of Yallata Beach? Just food for thought, but as i said they do not show the actual first run of the fish, it looks like they do but they don't.

Another great rod for you guys to look out for is the Shimano T-Curve Bluewater Spin 15kg-24kg, at around the same price as the Texxies, the Texxies in my opinion do not compare at all. I have also been told that the normal Wilson Live Fibre rods are stronger than the Texxies. Just more food for thought.

Hoodlum for a budget that you have, and you are fishing off wharves, do not discount K-Mart, they sell some great cheap Penn Beach Rods for around $60, they have served me well over the years and i can't fault them for the price! Matched with a 6000 size reel from Shimano or Daiwa or a Penn 850 or similar you can't go wrong fishing the harbour, also try and buy yourself a little soft plastics outfit that will double as your bait rod? Something like a Berkely Drop shot with a Shimano Symmetre 2500 and 6lb-8lb braid? All you will need then is a Boat rod like the above formentioned ones, and you have 3 set ups you can utilise. Whack some 30lb briad on the beach rod reel. All the best with your decision.

Kamil

[xtosea]

Just added some more info for you guys about what you may look at to buy.

[imnotafish]

PIP,
DVD is Local Knowledge by Craig Mcgill.
Available from most tackle stores.

[2Pipperty]

Thanks man, I will get it this weekend. Is it as good as Greg Joyce's DVD with Dave Buttfield. I was quite impressed with that, except that they don't land a real big jewie, well they do in the extras section but that seems to pop out out of no where and is a bit suss, but great viewing anyway.