cabramatta Creek Today................. 2/9/07

[quintrex101]

wen to cabramatta creek today, got there at about 4pm and fished to 6pm, put some bread in the burley bucket, and seen this

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getting lots of bites and then my rod goes off, about 10-15 mins later i see the fish and takes me about 10 goes to land land it with the net ( 10lb line 8lb fish, by myself, no one to land the fish , i had to do it )

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its landed,i get the camara and take a photo of the carp, it was 59cm
longs, i got it on bread, quinnies on fire, now hes got 2 records, i sorry i forgot the coin thing wen i got there and i had no money on me,

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if you want i sent the full size photo to kamil or storms on msn and they make sure its 49cm, i am 100% sure it is

[sydfish]

Well done quinnie, thats a pretty koi youve caught there. Hope you disposed of it properly, looks like another section you will be leading in. Good on ya

[imnotafish]

hey great catch quinnie nice record. they go suprisingly hard those koi carp, nice yellows on the head of that one too. What bait were you using?
Always good to see more of them go toward fertiliser too!.... :rolling laughter:

[quintrex101]

they were alive, in the water,

i caught them on bread it is the best bait for them,

[James]

top stuff there mate

[beats]

Nice stuff Quinnie, You think breads good, take a tin of corn cournals with you next time it's No1.:ohhh yeah: Take a few lures with you next time & have a flick around while awaiting the next pest to bite, if you do your home work you will more than likely find bass in there also.
Like Kris said slaughter the dirty pests though, the scurge of our rivers, destroying banks & native fish habitat & partly responsible for water clarity degradation in our creeks & rivers also.

[fish boy]

well done quinnie

[fishinf]

nice work quinnie you are on fire
nice carp

[storms72]

Good on ya Quinnie....Good to see you are caring for the environment mate!:rolling laughter:

[nimrod]

I only hope that all your congratulations are warranted.
Common or Mirror carp are a curse in our waterways, no risk on that and they should be destroyed.
Koi carp are treasured fish and are sometimes stocked by council to add interest to a waterway where people gather for recreation, picnics etc.
I hope this was not one of those particular fish, as they are very expensive fish.

http://www.fishnet.com.au/content/fishnet/images/gallery/87ae21fc-3f51-4d30-8b6a-94abb5d0e021.jpg

The yellow one is a $600 fish

I may be completely wrong here and I hope I am. But Quinnie, make sure there are no " No Fishing " signs around where you got it.

If caught in a legal situation, congratulations, great capture all by yourself.
Frank

[quintrex101]

it was never killed, they a such a nice fish, i never kill one

[shags]

Im "SHOCKED'..

Where in Cabramatta did you fish,,,,i HAVE HAD KOI in the past and love them as pets,,,had them stolen by people over the back from us when they moved out id say as when they moved the koi was gone too..

IF ANYONE IS ABLE TO GET THE FISH,,KEEP THEM ALIVE.....I WILL PAY GOOD DOLLARS FOR EM..

PM ASAP ..

Craig

[imnotafish]

Frank there are heaps of Koi in our rivers and lakes. The main difference between a Koi like the one quinnie got and the ones in your pics are the colours. The colourless or poorly coloured Koi are pretty much worthless apparently, and koi which escape into the wild quickly revert to the common (non-colourful) wild strain. There are stacks of them at Lane Cove Weir (along with common carp and a couple of other species). Some of the big ones there are still quite colourful suggesting they might have grown too big for a pond or something.
Anyway Ornament or not, i reckon kill em all as the law says....

[imnotafish]

it was never killed, they a such a nice fish, i never kill one


Hey Quinnie just so you know it is illegal not to kill it, and also you must place the corpse more than 50m from the waterway. It could cost you $11,000 for returning the fish to the water. This goes for all carp species, koi or not, as they are a class 3 noxious species (see below). They muddy the waters ruining the habitat for bass and many other natives, eat small invetabrates etc etc.

[imnotafish]

From fisheries. The link to the whole article is here..
http://www.fisheries.nsw.gov.au/threatened_species/general/content/fn_carp.htm

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Common Carp

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Koi Carp

HOW DID THEY GET HERE?
Carp have been introduced into Australia both deliberately, in an attempt to imitate the European environment, and accidentally, through the escape of ornamental or aquaculture fish.

In Victoria, stocking began as early as 1859, but early stocking attempts were not successful. An ornamental strain was released near Sydney around 1850-60, and a Singaporean koi strain was accidentally released in the Murrumbidgee area in 1876.

A third hybrid strain was imported for aquaculture in Victoria in 1961 and was bred in a dam at Boolara, near Mildura. Although this venture was banned, some fish escaped and soon spread up the Murray and Darling Rivers, assisted by floods (especially in the mid 1970s). They interbred with the koi strain in the Murrumbidgee to produce a genetically diverse population of wild carp.

Carp have since gone on to radiate very successfully throughout the large inland Murray-Darling system, including in Queensland and South Australia as well as NSW and Victoria. Carp now also occur in some coastal catchments, and have recently been found in Lake Crescent and other waterways near Sorell, in Tasmania.

Their spread has been assisted by anglers who use them for live bait or deliberately stock them to create carp fisheries. A number of new populations have become established through accidental or deliberate releases of the koi strain.

WHAT ARE THEIR IMPACTS?
Because of their adaptability, carp have been very successful in their colonisation of new environments.

Carp are widely believed to have detrimental effects on native aquatic plants, animals and general river health, particularly through their destructive feeding habits.

Carp are often found in degraded areas, although it is not clear whether they cause the degradation or are simply able to survive in areas where native fish have been eliminated. While in some cases carp have probably been blamed for degradation that is actually the result of human activities, it is clear that they can have major impacts.

Some of the probable impacts of carp are outlined below.

Reduced water quality: Carp contribute to poor water quality by uprooting vegetation and stirring up sediments during feeding, leading to increased turbidity.

This in turn reduces light penetration, which can make it difficult for native fish that rely on sight to feed. Reduced light can also decrease plant growth, and suspended sediments can smother plants and clog fishes' gills.

The effects of carp on water quality are well documented; however, poor catchment management practices probably have a more substantial effect.

Algal blooms: There have been suggestions that carp may increase the likelihood of algal blooms by preying on animals that eat algae, stirring up nutrients trapped in bottom sediments, damaging aquatic plants, and reducing plant growth via greater turbidity.

However, carp densities may have to be very high to significantly increase the likelihood of an algal bloom.

Erosion: Carp feeding habits can undermine river banks leading to the collapse of banks and vegetation.

However, clearing of riparian vegetation, changes to river flows through river regulation, and trampling by livestock are more important factors in bank erosion. Restoration of riparian vegetation can minimise the risk of damage by carp.

Impacts on invertebrates: Juvenile carp feed mainly on zooplankton, but start consuming larger (macro-) invertebrates once they reach around 15 cm in length. There is strong evidence that carp impact on native invertebrates in still waters, but only anecdotal evidence for running waters.

Impacts on aquatic plants: Carp have significant effects on native aquatic plants both through direct grazing and through uprooting plants while feeding, leading to a reduction in plant density and biomass. Soft-leaved, shallow-rooted and submerged plants are most likely to be affected.

Disease: In other parts of the world, carp have been associated with the distribution of a range of parasites and fungal, bacterial and viral diseases. However, there have been few disease outbreaks attributed to carp in Australia.

Reduction in native fish numbers: The effects of carp on native fish are not well understood. Negative impacts of carp are thought to include competition for food and habitats and effects on recruitment (population replenishment). However, many native species (such as golden perch, Murray cod, silver perch and freshwater catfish) had experienced well-documented declines even before carp became widespread.

The feeding methods of carp can uproot aquatic vegetation and muddy the water. Carp have been blamed for damaging freshwater habitats and causing decreases in light penetration, dissolved oxygen and plant material. These changes may have affected native fish.

WHAT IS NSW FISHERIES DOING?
In NSW, a Carp Assessment and Reduction Program has been developed to encourage the commercial utilisation of wild carp and promote and coordinate community carp control efforts.

This program has involved encouraging inland commercial fishers to harvest carp; supporting recreational carp fishing competitions; researching carp control methods; researching the distribution of carp in NSW; and providing education programs for community groups.


In addition, carp are listed as a Class 3 noxious species in NSW under the noxious species provisions of the Fisheries Management Act 1994.

NOTE: Unlike Class 1 and 2 species - which pose greater degrees of threat to the aquatic environment and are subject to different rules - Class 3 species may still be kept in aquaria, garden ponds and farm dams, and may still be bought and sold. However, an education and awareness campaign will be carried out to discourage their possession and sale, particularly in the coastal rivers where carp are not yet established.

This listing recognises the fact that keeping the colourful koi carp strains in garden ponds and aquaria is a popular pastime. At the same time, koi which escape into the wild quickly revert to the common (non-colourful) wild strain, and it is vital to stop the spread of this significant pest into new areas.

Carp have also been listed as a noxious species in Victoria and Queensland, a declared exotic species in South Australia, and a controlled fish in Tasmania. Their importation is prohibited by the Commonwealth government.

At a national level, a National Management Strategy for Carp Control has been developed by the Carp Control Coordinating Group (CCCG), which was established following an agreement between several government bodies including the Murray-Darling Basin Commission. The CCCG consists of state, territory and federal representatives and coordinates nation-wide research and management responses.

Research is also being undertaken into innovative ways of controlling carp populations. One method that offers promise in the long term (for use in conjunction with other control measures) is the 'daughterless carp' technology. This technology involves manipulating the genes of carp to produce an inheritable 'daughterless carp' gene which prevents fish from developing as females. This would result in fewer and fewer females being produced each generation until the carp population was mostly male. It is predicted that this could greatly reduce carp numbers within 20-30 years of its release. However, the technology needs to be further developed and thoroughly tested (e.g. to ensure it is safe) before it can be released.

HOW CAN YOU HELP?
Only keep koi in places (garden ponds and other outdoor containers) where they cannot escape into natural waterways.

Remember that it is illegal to stock carp into streams, rivers or lakes in NSW and fines of up to $11,000 apply.

Do not use live carp as bait. The use of live carp as bait in freshwater is illegal and carries a high probability of infesting new areas with carp.

Ensure your boat and trailer are free of weed before re-launching to avoid the possibility of spreading carp eggs and juveniles.

Assist efforts to restore our rivers (which can help native fauna to out-compete carp) by taking part in a Rivercare, Landcare or Waterwatch project.

Manage your land in a way that reduces damage to natural waterways, for example by restricting stock access to stream banks and conserving or restoring riparian vegetation.

Take part in native fish restocking programs with your local angling group, and support recreational fishing for carp in your area.

Support the commercial harvesting of carp by purchasing products such as carp-based fertilisers or pet food.

Report any sightings of carp outside their known distribution to your local NSW Fisheries Office or the Threatened Species and Biodiversity Unit (contact details below).

[quintrex101]

going to give it a quick bash now, i tell you how i go wen i get back, i hope i catch a bigger one then last time

[mulloway mayhem]

quinny make sure you kill em if ya catch some.....:rolling laughter:

[nimrod]

Quinnie. If you are sure where you fish for them is allowed and you are not doing anything wrong, GO for it and have a ball, and if you want to put the smelly thing back into the water then that also is your choice, It is NOT illegal to return carp to the water where it came from in NSW.
However it is recommended and most fishos will kill them rather then return them. It's your choice.

As for colour difference. It takes an expert to tell a good valuable Koi from a bad Koi they come in all different colours and patterns and only an expert can tell the good ones from the bad ones.
There are many colours here but they are all valuable fish. and if anyone was to even attempt to catch one they would be in serious trouble and maybe end up in jail.

http://www.fishnet.com.au/content/fishnet/images/gallery/a1b04b5f-9705-4c51-87a4-e1b265f5f129.jpg
Frank

[beats]

thats true it's not illegal in NSW but I kill every carp I catch, besides the foxes love em, Oh hang on thats another introduced pest that needs irradication :lol: :Death_To_Above:

[imnotafish]

NOTE: Unlike Class 1 and 2 species - which pose greater degrees of threat to the aquatic environment and are subject to different rules - Class 3 species may still be kept in aquaria, garden ponds and farm dams, and may still be bought and sold. However, an education and awareness campaign will be carried out to discourage their possession and sale, particularly in the coastal rivers where carp are not yet established.

This listing recognises the fact that keeping the colourful koi carp strains in garden ponds and aquaria is a popular pastime. At the same time, koi which escape into the wild quickly revert to the common (non-colourful) wild strain, and it is vital to stop the spread of this significant pest into new areas.

Remember that it is illegal to stock carp into streams, rivers or lakes in NSW and fines of up to $11,000 apply.

[nimrod]

"Remember that it is illegal to stock carp into streams, rivers or lakes in NSW and fines of up to $11,000 apply."

I assume this is the bit that has you under the impression that it is illegal to return a carp to the water in which it came.
The bold bit is the key here.

When you release a carp that you have just caught, you are not STOCKING a river/stream etc.

You are not permitted to transport and release carp, in other words transport to a different location,
But you are permitted to return a Carp to the water in which you caught it. ( shortly after capture )
Allthough most people opt for the kill method, it is not mandatory.

Frank

[imnotafish]

Yeah i was thinking along the line of Fisheries have the discretion to decide whether you are "returning the fish to the water" or "stocking waterways"

I guess in most situations you are probably fine, but given that the kill and dispose more than 50m from the waterway was the old rule and i think still applies in some states i just wanted everyone to be aware of the possible implications.

For example guys who fish Manly Dam have been known to keep their carp in a bucket and then return them to the water at the end of the day, several at a time. Though it is not "stocking waterways", how could you prove that if you were accused?

It also riles me that carp kill so much of our native aquatic life, so given the chance to get more fertilised i will take it :rolling laughter:

Anyway for quinnie, if u want, next time take them out and give them to someone with a pond of their own!
Then you dont have to kill them but are still removing them from the waterway!

[Bass flicker]

thats true it's not illegal in NSW but I kill every carp I catch, besides the foxes love em, Oh hang on thats another introduced pest that needs irradication :lol: :Death_To_Above:

Im with Greg. Only I'll take it a bit further. I'll kill any carp I come across in a stream, river or pond that connects to a flowing water way. In the same way as I will take any trout of any size that I come across AT ANY TIME OF THE YEAR!! and redfin for that matter.
I too dont mind a bit of hunting, and have spent many a cold night spotlighting foxes. I'll also kill rabbits, goat, deer and pigs!

Do your part to irradicate feral species:2gunsfiring_v1:

CARP (ALL CARP) ARE FILTH AND SHOULD BE KILLED HUMAINLY ON THE SPOT!

[quintrex101]

does anyone what them

[Fishless]

nice fish,

bet they are good fun to reel in, they are a nice fish too :hellyeah:


:beerchug:

[quintrex101]

wen today, lots of bites, no hook ups but

[mulloway mayhem]

Do your part to irradicate feral species:2gunsfiring_v1:


so what are you saying BF.....we should get rid of jas to.............:rolling laughter: :rolling laughter: :rolling laughter: :rolling laughter: