Splicing rope with chain, sea anchors...

[Hamuwaja]

Hey Guys,
got a 38 foot sun runner which we take out ..
problem for me being that the anchor chain is only 100m....

due to the weight of anchor and all that chain combined, we cannot have more chain on it, without getting a new winch etc.

i have heard though that you can get rope spliced in, that will work through the anchor winch, etc, and should be able to get another 200m or so on there, with minimum weight gain...


Any ideas, suggestions, experiences???


At current we can only really anchor in like 60-80 feet of water safely, and thats pushing it if outside i think...


Anyway, i'd love to get some feedback...

cheers..

[Hamuwaja]

anyone at all got any info on this ?

[Gone_Wishin]

Basically you need to check whether your winch can handle both rope and chain.
If you look at the capstain on the winch it has grooves that lock onto the chain links, a capstain that can do both has a deeper groove that can grip the rope (or else it just spins when you try to retrieve the anchor).

I suggest you get the brand and model of your winch and ask the manufacturer or one of the main chandalery stores.

Also your winch will have a rating on the length of anchor rope it can handle and the 'on' time it can handle (it's like a starter motor, you can't winch up for 30 min continuously or it will burn out).

[nimrod]

Try and post some photos of the winch.
You may be able to down size the diamater of chain ( would be expensive ) by halving the diamater you could have twice the length for the same weight, Or do away with the long chain altogether and get 300 metres of 10mm silver rope and a buoy for lifting the anchor, much quicker then winch and heaps lighter.
Frank

[Hamuwaja]

Try and post some photos of the winch.
You may be able to down size the diamater of chain ( would be expensive ) by halving the diamater you could have twice the length for the same weight, Or do away with the long chain altogether and get 300 metres of 10mm silver rope and a buoy for lifting the anchor, much quicker then winch and heaps lighter.
Frank

Hey guys will try to check into the winch, here is a pic of the boat, i dont think the 10mm stuff will hold.. hehe...

Cheers for the info and advice..

[mulloway mayhem]

[quote=Hamuwaja]Hey Guys,
got a 38 foot sun runner which we take out ..
problem for me being that the anchor chain is only 100m....

hey mate im just wandering does your anchor only have 100 mtrs of chain and no rope.....if thats the case i would be trying to get rope and chain...i cant help ya but good luck anyway..........:luck:

[Dog Catcher]

I think you are VERY VERY VERY Mis-illusioned on how to anchor a big boat.

For starters why in hell do you need 100 meters on chain ???????????????????????

Doubt very much if the boat is ever anchored in that depth of water & if it was you'd be over a reef & the set up you have assuming you've got a plough anchor on the end of the chain ?

This setup is as usefull as tits are on a bull for starters with that much chain you're bound to get chain wrapped & I've seen boats lose their walkouts because of chain wrap.

If you're anchoring over reef then 6 mm rope is more than enough reason so thin is less water pressure than if you had a larger dia rope & less chance of straightning the prongs on a reef pic.

[Hamuwaja]

[quote=Hamuwaja]Hey Guys,
got a 38 foot sun runner which we take out ..
problem for me being that the anchor chain is only 100m....

hey mate im just wandering does your anchor only have 100 mtrs of chain and no rope.....if thats the case i would be trying to get rope and chain...i cant help ya but good luck anyway..........:luck:

Yeah, it came with 100M of chain ... so i am looking to splice with rope...

Cheers..

[Hamuwaja]

I think you are VERY VERY VERY Mis-illusioned on how to anchor a big boat.

For starters why in hell do you need 100 meters on chain ???????????????????????

Doubt very much if the boat is ever anchored in that depth of water & if it was you'd be over a reef & the set up you have assuming you've got a plough anchor on the end of the chain ?

This setup is as usefull as tits are on a bull for starters with that much chain you're bound to get chain wrapped & I've seen boats lose their walkouts because of chain wrap.

If you're anchoring over reef then 6 mm rope is more than enough reason so thin is less water pressure than if you had a larger dia rope & less chance of straightning the prongs on a reef pic.

Cheers for your kind words... Everyone else on this site gives good advice, and if they have a problem they keep it to themselves...

Doubt very much if the boat is ever anchored in that depth of water & if it was you'd be over a reef & the set up you have assuming you've got a plough anchor on the end of the chain ?

This setup is as usefull as tits are on a bull for starters with that much chain you're bound to get chain wrapped & I've seen boats lose their walkouts because of chain wrap.

Really, and explain what you say chain wrap is, and how it happens..
and i will tell you exactly how i combat all of these issues....

Anyway, i dont know if your trying to have a dig or what ..

but dude... like look at what you wrote and how you wrote it ..

as far as i am concerned your a Dick ...

Cheers to eveyone else though, i am looking into what you guys have suggested.




If you read the first post, and even what it is about, its saying i want to extend with rope etc ...

The Boat- comes with anchor and everything set as is.... As it was purchased .... And all boats of this size i see, have also got FULL CHAIN... And not one so a far i have come across has rope, or even had it spliced, as they usually stay within depths around the bays etc ... Cruiser boats...

Anyway,

Getting back to your speal,

I think you are VERY VERY VERY Mis-illusioned on how to anchor a big boat. What boat do you have ??? instead of being a complete arse and dick about it .. u could ask questions and offer advice...

For starters why in hell do you need 100 meters on chain ???????????????????????
Most boats, being cruisers etc, come with all this **** ... And as being bouht second hand ... I had no say in this.. which is why i am trying to fix the problem atm ... (and why i have posted the question)

[Haji]

Hi Hamu
We may not always like the way that the "Dog Catcher" writes but he does make some good points.

I have owned boats up to 10m long and fished on numerous others up to 55ft long. The boats set up for fishing (as distinct from cruising) all used rope for anchoring during fishing and only used the full chain for secure anchoring an unattended boat or for shallow waters in the harbour etc.

There is nothing wrong with having two systems, the rope, short chain and anchor can be stored in a suitable plastic container like a large fish box. A boat your size would have plenty of space to store such a box out of the road.

To anchor simply lower the anchor and chain over the side and hand feed the rope untill you have the desired length out .Then make the rope off to a bow cleat.

When it is time to lift the anchor simply clip an anchor retrieval buoy (see Whitworths catologue on-line) onto the anchor rope and drive the boat toward and past the position of the anchor. The buoy will run down the rope. lifting the anchor as it does so and finally catching the anchor and chain in the large steel eye that forms part of the buoy assembly.

By this time the full length of rope with the buoy,anchor and chain will be streaming out behind your boat. Turn around and drive toward the buoy (being carefull not to run over the rope) pulling in the rope as you go. As you are only pulling in rope (not lifting the anchor) it is quite easy to do. When you get to the buoy simply lift the buoy, anchor and chain aboard, unclip the buoy and store everything away.

Once you try the above you will never go back to the tedious process of using full chain, capstan etc in other than shallow water or overnight anchorages.

Hope this helps.

Cheers

[Hamuwaja]

Hi Hamu
We may not always like the way that the "Dog Catcher" writes but he does make some good points.

I have owned boats up to 10m long and fished on numerous others up to 55ft long. The boats set up for fishing (as distinct from cruising) all used rope for anchoring during fishing and only used the full chain for secure anchoring an unattended boat or for shallow waters in the harbour etc.

There is nothing wrong with having two systems, the rope, short chain and anchor can be stored in a suitable plastic container like a large fish box. A boat your size would have plenty of space to store such a box out of the road.

To anchor simply lower the anchor and chain over the side and hand feed the rope untill you have the desired length out .Then make the rope off to a bow cleat.

When it is time to lift the anchor simply clip an anchor retrieval buoy (see Whitworths catologue on-line) onto the anchor rope and drive the boat toward and past the position of the anchor. The buoy will run down the rope. lifting the anchor as it does so and finally catching the anchor and chain in the large steel eye that forms part of the buoy assembly.

By this time the full length of rope with the buoy,anchor and chain will be streaming out behind your boat. Turn around and drive toward the buoy (being carefull not to run over the rope) pulling in the rope as you go. As you are only pulling in rope (not lifting the anchor) it is quite easy to do. When you get to the buoy simply lift the buoy, anchor and chain aboard, unclip the buoy and store everything away.

Once you try the above you will never go back to the tedious process of using full chain, capstan etc in other than shallow water or overnight anchorages.

Hope this helps.

Cheers

Hey Haji ... Sorry for my little blow out... i kinda dont like being written too in the way he did... But you have given me great info. . .
This is the kind of info i need. . Cheers heaps...

you and all the other guys thus far have been very nice and helpful.. i will also try not to retaliate so harsh or be so quick to jump off my rail too..

anyway, Haji, do you know any good chandlery stores?? Whitworths i doubt is what i wanna use..

[Hamuwaja]

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There is nothing wrong with having two systems, the rope, short chain and anchor can be stored in a suitable plastic container like a large fish box. A boat your size would have plenty of space to store such a box out of the road.

To anchor simply lower the anchor and chain over the side and hand feed the rope untill you have the desired length out .Then make the rope off to a bow cleat.

When it is time to lift the anchor simply clip an anchor retrieval buoy (see Whitworths catologue on-line) onto the anchor rope and drive the boat toward and past the position of the anchor. The buoy will run down the rope. lifting the anchor as it does so and finally catching the anchor and chain in the large steel eye that forms part of the buoy assembly.

By this time the full length of rope with the buoy,anchor and chain will be streaming out behind your boat. Turn around and drive toward the buoy (being carefull not to run over the rope) pulling in the rope as you go. As you are only pulling in rope (not lifting the anchor) it is quite easy to do. When you get to the buoy simply lift the buoy, anchor and chain aboard, unclip the buoy and store everything away.

Once you try the above you will never go back to the tedious process of using full chain, capstan etc in other than shallow water or overnight anchorages.

Hope this helps.

Cheers

Hey Haji. ...

I am looking into this at the moment ... I think we are onto a winner, keep the anchor with its chain as is.... attached to the front at all times, on the winch ...

Get rope.. (6mm or 10mm still seems a bit light for a 9 tonne boat no???)

Get the right amount of chain (being about hlaf the length of the boa???)

And the anchor, how pig should this now be ? as the plow on the boat is prety big, and doubt one of us could lift it with ease... and would you suggest having 1 sand anchor, and 1 reef anchor ???

[Haji]

Thank you for your kind words Hamu.

I find Whitworths at Caringbah to be very helpfull and the gear that they sell is well priced. I bought a plow myself today, see my post re anchoring succesfully every time which has some more tips for setting the anchor etc up.

As to the size of anchor you certainly do not want to be lugging a huge plow around the deck of your boat. But dont forget there is a difference between securely anchoring an unattended boat with a large margin of safety and anchoring for fishing where, if you occasionally lift an anchor and have to reset it its inconvenient but no big drama.

In other words you should be able to get away with a smaller anchor than the main one currently on your boat. Check with Whitworth they have tables that list anchor size v boat length and will be able to advise you. Ditto for rope size (use "silver rope" for longevity and strength per given dia).

Good Luck!

[Dog Catcher]

Really, and explain what you say chain wrap is, and how it happens..
and i will tell you exactly how i combat all of these issues....

Anyway, i dont know if your trying to have a dig or what ..

but dude... like look at what you wrote and how you wrote it ..

as far as i am concerned your a Dick ...

The only Dick around here is the one siting between your shoulders !

If you're chain wrapped there's nothing you can do about it short of doning the scuba gear.

I watched one such fool crack the nose of his mariner clean off trying to pull a chain wrap off the bottom ended up attaching a buoy to his almighty chain & leaving it there.

If you read the first post, and even what it is about, its saying i want to extend with rope etc ...

Yes & I told you

If you're anchoring over reef then 6 mm rope is more than enough reason so thin is less water pressure than if you had a larger dia rope & less chance of straightning the prongs on a reef pic.

So why would you want to splice rope to a 100 meter chain for ?????

The Boat- comes with anchor and everything set as is.... As it was purchased .... And all boats of this size i see, have also got FULL CHAIN... And not one so a far i have come across has rope, or even had it spliced, as they usually stay within depths around the bays etc ... Cruiser boats...

Mate go tell that to someone who dosen't know any better they might actually believe you.

You're refering to the Lardy De Dah boats who have nothing beter to do than congregate around some beach sipping their martini's & yes those beach's are sandy & have sand hence the chain but they are allways shallow & no need for 100 meters of chain.

Most boats, being cruisers etc, come with all this **** ... And as being bouht second hand ... I had no say in this.. which is why i am trying to fix the problem atm ... (and why i have posted the question)


What a load of http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/849/bullgm4.jpg

chain of that length does not come with the boats.

Someone comes along togive you advice & ewe want to call them a Dick ?

I have no probs anchoring big boats you're the one with the prob so wake up to yourself

[Hamuwaja]

alright dude .. whatever .. get over yourself .. really ..

like look at the coversation between everyone else... instead of having a dig, or whatever to make urself feel big and important, give some advice .. and if you cant do that in a nice manner then i dont really care for u to reply to my posts in the future..

Anyway, cheers for the tip haji, will go check them out and have a chat to the guys behind the counter...

Will let you know how it goes..