Anchoring succesfully every time [Archive] - Sydney Fish Finder Fishing Forum

Haji

24-09-07, 11:57 PM

I don't know about everyone else but I have had my fair share of problems in anchoring just right every time.

Some years ago the more experienced members of the fishing club that I belonged to all changed to Danforth type anchors with around 5 to 10 meters of chain and used that for both reef and soft bottom anchoring of boats up to 20Ft.

I still use that combination but find that it does not always work, particularly in Botany bay around Trevally Alley.(Molineaux Point). I carefully feed the anchor and chain (around 8m) over the side, allow plenty of scope and time for the anchor to set ,and still drag every now and again. The size of my anchor is as recommended for my size boat.

Has anyone used any other type of anchor/chain combination that is more suitable for all round use? EG; increase the size of anchor, or change to the more exotic types of anchors etc?

I should add that I raised this subject in an earlier thread which asked whether anyone had any experience with the Sarca type of anchor. received some good advice from that thread but am still not 100% happy with my anchoring and would welcome comments from anyone who fishes Botany Bay and has no problems anchoring up on the soft bottom there. A fishing video that I looked at recently had the producers recommending the use of larger than normal anchors. Problem is where do you stow those on a small boat?

BONECRUSHER

25-09-07, 12:27 AM

I just use a Std sand anchor Danforth type really beaten up and twisted but does the job.. with 5m of chain, also a reef (grapnel anchor) i have see the plow type but never had to mush trouble. except up at nelson bay where the water moves at a rapid pace. where are you trying to anchor. the hard bit some times i reckon is tide and wind.

imnotafish

25-09-07, 12:30 AM

Hey Haji or Coops whats a Danforth Anchor?
is it just a sand anchor or is it similar to a Sarca? ie a sand anchor with a chain slide for release from reef?

Haji

25-09-07, 12:39 AM

Yes, a Danforth is a sand anchor, two blades with a central shaft that is sometimes slotted to allow the D shackle to slide down to the base of the anchor for easier retrieval.

Smaller ones use the same principal but with 8 to 12mm round steel bar bent in the shape of a squashed diamond with the chain shackled to the bar at the top of the diamond and the cross bar that has the blades welded to it is itself welded to the bottom of the diamond. On retrieval the shackle slides down one of the legs of the diamond to the base of the anchor. (Gee that sounds messy doesn't? Hard to describe in any other way)

Dog Catcher

25-09-07, 12:42 AM

Dont like the Danforth type anchors in my bigger boat for one reason

They dont work !

Any sort of wind with have them draging along the bottom

Having said that they work well in my smaller tinny rarely if ever does it pull but bear in mind it's a much smaller boat even though I use a smaller anchor the boat is much lighter.

The trick with the danforth anchors is to have a heavy chain not a super long one as these can & will wrap around an obsticle & snag up.

The other thing with them is you must let out alot of rope to keep them pinned in to short a rope & they'll pull out cause your angle is to steep.

If achoring in heavy currents then also drop your rope size down I use 6 mm thicker the rope the more drag on the anchor.

I now use a plough anchor on my bigger boat & haven't really had any drama's holding bottom a bit heavy to lift up but that's why you have crew.

Actually I'm good to them & use a dam Buoy to rise the anchor up to the surface then drive back up the rope very easy on the back

Haji

25-09-07, 12:47 PM

Hi Dog
I see your experience of Danforth is similar to mine. When you say that you use a "Plough" anchor could you please elaborate (or a piccie?)

As I do a lot of my fishing on my own any added work for my "Crew" falls back on me so not to keen on heavy anchors. I do use a buoy to lift the anchor but its still a hassle getting it all inboard without bashing the boat about.

Like you I use thinner rope and find it more than adequate for my 17 ft Seafarer.

Have not thought of using a shorter but heavier chain, to date I have kept the chain as light as possible but quite long. It sounds like the heavier chain may help. Do you have any suggestions as to length etc?

Finally, the last time that I raised this issue there was one response from a member who uses the Sarca anchor and spoke very highly of it. I would like to get some more feedback on the Sarca if there are other members who have them. I know that they are quite expensive but they are light and do not take up a lot of room as against a bigger Danforth or Plough. There is not a lot of spare room in my boat to store anchors.

sclark3

25-09-07, 12:57 PM

Hi guys, i get my boat this Friday:congrats: never used the bouy system for retrieval....Do you just hook it onto the rope and drive over the anchor???????????????:banghead:

Haji

25-09-07, 01:13 PM

See my reply to Hamu in the thread dealing with splicing chain and rope.

sclark3

25-09-07, 01:24 PM

Thought as much thx:ohhh yeah:

mulloway mayhem

25-09-07, 02:02 PM

also fellas when pulling up anchor with a bouy always tie ur rope off at the back of your boat...not at the front ...then drive off to the side not straight ahead and when u see the anchor up just slowly head towards it and easily bring the anchor up....to to easy:ohhh yeah:

Haji

25-09-07, 04:06 PM

Well following the Dog Catchers advice I have bitten the bullet and bought a plough anchor. The smallest model (boats 16 to 20 Ft) it cost me $39.00 from Whitworths today.

What swayed my decision was that the ploughs sold by Whitworths have an attachment point welded on the bottom of the stock of the anchor. This will allow me to use a trick that the old timers used which is to connect the chain to the bottom of the anchor using a D shackle and then tie the chain off to the top eye of the anchor using a suitable plastic ziptie.

If the anchor is hard to dislodge it is a simple matter to drive in the opposite direction from the lay of the anchor then when the boat pulls the rope from the top connection point to the anchor the Ziptie will break. This then directs the pull from the rope onto the bottom of the anchor and allow the boat/anchor buoy combination to pull it clear of whatever it is hung up on.

I will set it up and posts some pics including an anchor buoy system ASAP.

nimrod

25-09-07, 05:10 PM

Hah Hah Here we go again. I am constantly arguing the point about tie ing the rope off at the back..

NEVER I repeat NEVER under any circumstances TIE the rope to the back of the boat.

Sure you use the rear cleats on the boat to hold the rope but do NOT tie it off. Wrap the rope around the cleat once, twice if deep water over about 35 metres and hold the loose part of rope with hand.
If the anchor becomes wedged and refuses to let go the rope will pull through the cleat and your hands, you don't burn your hands as you stop the boat if you can't hold onto the rope.
IF you tie the rope to the rear of the boat and it gets wedged between rocks etc, it can and will sink the boat very quickly.
I knew a guy that like me who has been using the buoy for lifting the anchor for 20 odd years and never had a problem, till the one time the anchor did wedge itself firmly and the boat went under, luckily the motor stalled and they cut the rope and with help drained the boat and got it towed back in.

It's a easy way of lifting your anchor, but please don't tie off to the back.

There is equal arguements about tieing off from the front of the boat as well. If you want to hear my rant on that one just ask.
Frank

Dog Catcher

25-09-07, 09:38 PM

Hah Hah Here we go again. I am constantly arguing the point about tie ing the rope off at the back..

NEVER I repeat NEVER under any circumstances TIE the rope to the back of the boat.

Frank

I 2nd that only someone who dosen't know any better will tie off to the back off the boat

I use the front bollard drive off @ a bit of an angle then straight back up the rope on my bigger boat not that important compared to my smaller tinny cause with the rope pulling from the nose the tendacy is for the nose to lift different story if rope was tied to back bollard which would drag the arse of the boat down.

Had a few chain wraps in my time & reckon the arse would've been underwater had I tied to the back.

If ever you do get a chain wrap just cut the rope better than sinking the boat.

Haji I find the shorter chain alot beter it's all about weight & if you have a heavier chain it serves the same purpose as a longer thinner one.

You're anchoring on sand & all the chain does is keep weight down on the anchor different story on reef where the chain protects the rope from rubbing through on the reef.

I use around 2 meters of chain think it's 10 mm from memory.

When tou're liftifting the plough anchor it's quite simple same as those Sarca's you drive back up your rope & flip them over.

With the damn buoy I use aq Stainless clip & it's big enough to slide over the chain once it does slide over the chain it wont come back on it's self & the anchor dangles just under the buoy then I just drive over to it pulling up loose rope.

2Pipperty

25-09-07, 10:51 PM

Dude, I have a 4.5M boat and have an extremely large anchor for the size of my boat... yes it does not fit quite right up the front of the boat when on the move and yes it is quite heavy when putting it in and pulling it out of the water but I can tell you one thing.... I went out on the Hawksbury a couple of weeks ago, their was a bit of wind about and the water was flying past me and a mate in another 6.5M....
I anchored up in 3 mintes as the larger anchor just holds without fail and my mate who has one of the most exspensive anchors you can buy and is designed for his size boat took over half an hour to anchor the bloody thing.... So in a nut shell the small pain in the backside to have a larger anchor far outways the problems of having to pull up and move every time you are dragging along the bottom due to it just not being big enough... Also it is an each to their own thing I suppose....

Dog Catcher

25-09-07, 11:17 PM

Pip !
Small boats are a breeze I have no probs with mine generally get it 1st time every time.

Prob with most larger boats is notonly their weight but most have canapies on them as well & in wind will aid in dragging the anchor.

I've got a Hard Top on mine which acts just the same as a canopy if wind gets up.

B4 I got the plough anchor & had the Danforth type I'd be hapily anchored away but if a breeze came though I'd start dragging the anchor irrelevant of how much rope I'd let out

2Pipperty

25-09-07, 11:19 PM

ahhh no problemo different story.... The smaller boats do have their advantages some times I suppose, but I still keep telling the misses I need a bigger one.... :rolling laughter:

Dog Catcher

25-09-07, 11:23 PM

You Betcha thats why I have 2 goats the small one lets me fish places I cant with the big one.

And it's always that much easier to anchor.

I was out in it 2day so it's fresh in my mind how easy to anchor it really is

mulloway mayhem

26-09-07, 07:25 AM

[quote=nimrod]Hah Hah Here we go again. I am constantly arguing the point about tie ing the rope off at the back..

NEVER I repeat NEVER under any circumstances TIE the rope to the back of the boat.

well imsaying u and dog are wrong...i will say when using a bouy it is so easier tieing ur rope off at the backof ur boat and the front is not...i dont give 2 ****s what u both say.....it is the right way.......

i love hearing u older blokes that think u know everything..i always use my back bollards to lift bouy....u will never ever run over ur rope for starters......and im not talking about 150 mtrs of water either coz i dont fish in that kinda depth.....never ever had a problem.....

Dog Catcher

26-09-07, 08:49 AM

[quote=nimrod]Hah Hah Here we go again. I am constantly arguing the point about tie ing the rope off at the back..

i love hearing u older blokes that think u know everything..i always use my back bollards to lift bouy....u will never ever run over ur rope for starters......and im not talking about 150 mtrs of water either coz i dont fish in that kinda depth.....never ever had a problem.....

For starters I'm not that old but have had more hrs behind the wheel of a boat than most that by the way is called expirience !

Secondly you dont get to grow old by not listening to those who know better I did it & I'm sure frank did as well that my friend is called learning !

My suggestion to you is that you carry a spare pair of underpants with you cause one day you'll need then if you keep tying off on the back

I dont know off to many peeps anchoring in 150 meters of water dont know where you pulled that rabbit from ??

If you had any common sense you would've realised pulling from the bow the rope runs along the hull or just off to it's side & if there is any chance of a prob the bow of the boat will turn itself back around to face point of where the anchor is secured.

Thus your transom is not exposed to any oncoming swells etc which in turn means you're not going to cop any water over the back which you would be subject to if you tie off onto a back bollard.

As far as you constantly arguing the point

Well I wonder why this is so ??

Oohh Oohh I know that answer as well

Because You're Bloody Wrong That's Why http://img418.imageshack.us/img418/2299/hyena7jr.gif

nimrod

26-09-07, 09:35 AM

Wayne. Yes I am an old bugger and have some old fashioned ideas.
You may have never had a problem YET as I said my mate had been using this system for a very long time before he learnt the lesson.

I am not saying you don't use the rear cleats/bollards I am saying you DO NOT tie off to the rear.

You dont anchor in 150 metres of water, thats good.
IF you anchor over reef of any depth there is the chance your anchor, or chain, will become wedged and refuse to lift. If this happens when the rope is tied to the back of the boat the boat is going forward, all of a sudden the rope takes up it's slack and stretch and the boat stops going forward cause its ties up, the front lifts, the rear drops down, no doubt while driving forward you have your hand on the control/throttle, when the boat suddenly stops you get launched forward ( it's a natural reaction ) and chances are your hand also goes forward hoilding the throttle, WHAT HAPPENS the boat launches even further and the back goes DOWN.
Wayne please yourself if you don't want to listen to some old geezer raving on, its your boat, your life. BUT remember this it is ALSO the life of your passenger/s at risk.
You have a friend, Lets just say for arguement sake, Jason, standing at the rear of the boat when this happens, the boat launches up the back goes down, gravity throws Jason over the back, at this stage your motor is reving out about 2500-3000 rpm and in gear, Imagine what that is going to do to Jason when he falls on it.

Jason or anyone else who gets in MM's boat, hang on bloody tight when he is bringing the anchor up.
Cause ONE day, it might not happen for years but one day it will.
And also Wayne there is no need to use the tone you used. we are trying to help. If you are too pig headed and too much of a know it all to listen to any advise then it's time you grew up a bit.
Frank

mulloway mayhem

11-11-07, 12:00 PM

I 2nd that only someone who dosen't know any better will tie off to the back off the boat

I use the front bollard drive off @ a bit of an angle then straight back up the rope on my bigger boat not that important compared to my smaller tinny cause with the rope pulling from the nose the tendacy is for the nose to lift different story if rope was tied to back bollard which would drag the arse of the boat down.

Had a few chain wraps in my time & reckon the arse would've been underwater had I tied to the back.

If ever you do get a chain wrap just cut the rope better than sinking the boat.

Haji I find the shorter chain alot beter it's all about weight & if you have a heavier chain it serves the same purpose as a longer thinner one.

You're anchoring on sand & all the chain does is keep weight down on the anchor different story on reef where the chain protects the rope from rubbing through on the reef.

I use around 2 meters of chain think it's 10 mm from memory.

When tou're liftifting the plough anchor it's quite simple same as those Sarca's you drive back up your rope & flip them over.

With the damn buoy I use aq Stainless clip & it's big enough to slide over the chain once it does slide over the chain it wont come back on it's self & the anchor dangles just under the buoy then I just drive over to it pulling up loose rope.

just thought i would bring this one back just to prove that i was right about tieing off at the back of the boat when retrieving your anchor when using a bouy.......

just watched old rex hunt and leigh reiner and paul worseling were out in there boat and showing to anchor corectly and also bringing anchor up using a bouy......

and................they attached the anchor yanka to rope and tied it off to the BACK of the boat and drove off and achor came up a so easy with no dramas.......was a bit windy and wasnt perfect conditions and they made it look so easy just like when i do it from my boat....

maybe dc and nimrod should have watched it and would maybe realise they dont know everything......im sure you guys know alot and most prolly more then me but i have also used this methed 1000 times and never ever had a drama.......

you guys shouldve watched it...........:idiot:

Dog Catcher

11-11-07, 12:50 PM

Proves not a thing

just watched old rex hunt and leigh reiner and paul worseling were out in there boat and showing to anchor corectly and also bringing anchor up using a bouy......

You still dont get it do you ??

Watching the Yipperty Yabbitor on the televeez dosen't prove a thing he's the same bloke who goes around telling everybody that hooks will rust away in a fish's mouth over night which is definately not the case.

Donr watch the idiot box much so didn't see the show in Q but like most of these show they attempt to make things look to easy.

Let me see correct me if I'm wrong they would've been in enclosed waters prob over sand so the anchor would've freed itself very easy with no pressure on the boat.

If you really want to prove me wrong why dont you write in to uncle Rex asking him to purposely snag a achor over reef & pull from the back bollard then the front.

Better srill you fish the Hawhsbury I know there complementary mooring up in the bays there use one tir off to your back bollard then drive off make sure your boats insured & have someone video the event then do the same with the front bollard

nimrod

11-11-07, 12:58 PM

Wayne. because some celebrity has been taught the wrong way to do something, do you automatically believe that it's the correct way.
Wayne. Please yourself if you don't want to listen to reason.
I hope you do it successfully another 1000 times, and I really mean that, cause the one time the anchor does become wedged, you will learn a valuable lesson, if you and your passengers survive. I hope it never happens to you, but I'm sure over the next few years someone who reads this thread will experience it, and I sure as hell hope they listen to mine and DC's version and not yours.
Rex Hunt, wow that speaks volumes.

Frank

nimrod

11-11-07, 01:08 PM

"Better srill you fish the Hawhsbury I know there complementary mooring up in the bays there use one tir off to your back bollard then drive off make sure your boats insured & have someone video the event then do the same with the front bollard"

DC ADD to that when doing it fair dinkem the anchor is at an acute angle downwards towards the bottom of the ocean, not at transom height.
But the boat would still go down at the back, but maybe not to the point of if the rope was at a downward angle.
Anyone would be a complete fool to try this, and I don't recommend anyone to do this.
Frank

Dog Catcher

11-11-07, 01:17 PM

Have to go get another keyboard all the bloody letters have vanished on this one hence all the typo's :banghead:

Yeah I gave that mooring thingy just as an example Frank it's alot safer than running out on a longer rope which is chain wrapped + those mooring Ispoke off are in pretty flat water dead flat in fact used them a couple of times when I sailrd the big boat up ftom Botany Bay.

nimrod

11-11-07, 01:30 PM

DC. There is one thing that just might save the boat from going down, and that would be if by chance the prop should come in contact with the rope and cut it off. But this would not generally happen as the momentum of the boat would pull the stern to one side, the side that was firmly tied to the bottom of the ocean/sea/river.
The worst event would be if by chance the rope did come into contact with the prop and it wrapped itself around and acted as a winch. The boat would dissapear pretty quickly then.

The breaking straign of a 8mm silver anchor rope is far greater then the pressure it takes to drag a boat under water. 10 mm is yet stronger.
Frank

Dog Catcher

11-11-07, 03:00 PM

I've had to put a knife through many anchot ropes over the years when I've seen it's a lost cause to attempting to lift the anchor again would be of no avail.

Think to many peeps hees some of the rubbish they put on the idiot box & take it to seriously.

I never echo what others say & only apply personal expiriences to my reply's & think the likes of Mr M&M really need to expirirnce a badanchoring incident which will scare the crap out of him to understand why youts & my comments are such.

Then we'll see how quick he does an about face & rubbishes what the likes of what the Yipperty Yabbity man has to say.

mulloway mayhem

11-11-07, 04:35 PM

Proves not a thing

You still dont get it do you ??

If you really want to prove me wrong why dont you write in to uncle Rex asking him to purposely snag a achor over reef & pull from the back bollard then the front.

Better srill you fish the Hawhsbury I know there complementary mooring up in the bays there use one tir off to your back bollard then drive off make sure your boats insured & have someone video the event then do the same with the front bollard

im sorry i must have missed your fishing show dc and nimrod.......

i love how people bag others for being successful like rexie....he isnt my fav on tv but you guys obviously like to bag him out.....

look i do fish the hawkesbury and i love hearin you guys say how this is going to happen well sorry fellas if it was going to happen wouldve by now so you guys arent always right.......we can go back and forth forever on this so keep writing what you guys want i aint listening.........:Death_To_Above:

dribble dribbledribble....you both just like hearin your own voice in your head telling me i dont know what im doin...well keep tellin yourselves how smart and knowledgable you both are.....:violent1:

nimrod

11-11-07, 05:21 PM

Wayne.You have made this a personal thing, where I am trying to advise members not to put their lives at risk.
Fair enough if you only anchor in mud then there is a good chance your anchor would never become wedged to the point that it could cause a problem.
This whole issue is not about YOU.
It is about safety.
Wayne. Many of my ideas and things I do would vary from a lot of other people. It's not about ME being right ALL the time, but I AM very RIGHT with this subject.
IN the Hawkesbury I wouldn't bother using the buoy recovery system, I would simply just lift the anchor.
I am talking about when the boat is in dapths where it takes a little effort to lift the andchor.

Frank

storms72

11-11-07, 06:17 PM

Now just maybe MM has experienced the stuck anchor when he's been fishing for bait off box head or around lion island......Might not be as deep as going to the shelf but still reef is reef! I'v fished with Wayne didn't have any anchor troubles at all!

Good old Rexie.....brought fishing to the mainstream and made many people in the industry a lot of money with his antics and info,,,,

Yibbedy Yibbeda....Long live Rex!!!!:pottytrain1:

mulloway mayhem

11-11-07, 06:33 PM

well next time i go i might invite you frank so i can see you TRY and pull my anchor up in 25-30 mtrs of water.......i bet ya cant like many people that come out in my boat.........but old mulloway gets up there and does it with eas....and if that fails the old bouy comes out.....and thats even easier......:red party:

nimrod

11-11-07, 07:09 PM

Wayne. Your probable right about me not being able to pull your anchor up.
I can't pull start my 35hp motor on my bass boat now, so have to try and get a electric start motor for it.
So yeah you're right.
Frank

Dog Catcher

11-11-07, 07:52 PM

dribble dribbledribble....you both just like hearin your own voice in your head telling me i dont know what im doin...well keep tellin yourselves how smart and knowledgable you both are.....

Wake up MM from what I have gathered your fishing is confined to just one river system this thread is not about you nor Frank & I.

You pass on what I deem bad advice to anyone reading this thread & get your comments shot down & rightfull so.

Doubt very much that you've ever been chain & may be the only excuse for your ignorance because there is no other.

I'll leave your yourself & anyone else thinking along your lines with one somple sort of Q to answer to answer.

If your motor broke down & you had to get towed in where would you tie the tow rope of to

a] front bollard
b] rear bollard

Remember if your chain wrapped that rock isn't going anywhere

mulloway mayhem

11-11-07, 09:11 PM

what a dumb question by a dc

Dog Catcher

11-11-07, 09:44 PM

Why is it dumb ???

Is it because you are not sure of the correct answer tell you what I'll make it easier for you & give you these options

a] ask the audience
b] Dial a friend
c] 50 / 50
d] ask Dog Catcher

storms72

11-11-07, 09:50 PM

Hey big fella give credit where its due......Good old Storm Boy had no troubles pullin the MM anchor up with my dodgy right hand and all!

Can I answer the question DC cause both points you suggested are wrong:_smack_: ...I would tie it to a specially mounted side bollard:idiot: maybe the grab rail would be a good spot too!!!:pottytrain1:

Dog Catcher

11-11-07, 09:58 PM

Wher do you get there Side Bollards from I want one ??:rolling laughter:

Sounds like you cheated & took the 50 / 50 choice

storms72

11-11-07, 10:03 PM

Very sound reasoning behind my suggestion.....much easier to throw a beer to the towee while feeling sad and lonely if he's being pulled along sideways! Better suggestion is too take me along there'll always be beers....well maybe for the first couple of hours anyways:alcho meter: ...Just sit me on the bow and I'll wrap rope round the right hand-can't feel it anyway so no further damage can be done!!!:banghead:

fishinf

11-11-07, 10:13 PM

i know i know tie your toe rope to the same hole you winch from
this will keep your noise up and make it easy for the toe boat
dont do it backwards because you might (in a tinnie) fill up with water
and ...sink :smoking33:

storms72

11-11-07, 10:18 PM

Try tying a rope to the winch hook thing when bouncing round in even small seas:drown: :biggrin:

nimrod

11-11-07, 10:55 PM

Wayne. We are getting nowhere with this if we keep arguing over it.
Why don't you just try it my way next time, and you will see it's exactly the same way that you do it other then tying the rope off.
Even easier if you have someone on board with you as you get them to hold the end of the rope.
Can't see why you would be prepared to put you life or others with you at risk just for the sake of listening to what some old geezer has to say.
That is really being stubborn.
But if thats your way then so be it. I will not try and convince you any more. Just hope you never find out I am right the hard way.
Frank

nimrod

11-11-07, 10:58 PM

Try tying a rope to the winch hook thing when bouncing round in even small seas:drown: :biggrin:

Very easy if you are a smart boater and have a painter on your bow.
But then there is not many smart boaters around.
Frank

Dog Catcher

11-11-07, 11:01 PM

Try tying a rope to the winch hook thing when bouncing round in even small seas:drown: :biggrin:

That is actually the correct way to tow a boat you get the boat in tow up & planing rather than digging it's nose into the water.

Pukunui

12-11-07, 03:18 AM

Very easy if you are a smart boater and have a painter on your bow.
But then there is not many smart boaters around.
Frank

Should you have your painter connected to your winch point or your front bollard?

is there a difference other than for towing?

I have mine attached to the bollard but will change it if the winch point is better.

nimrod

12-11-07, 09:34 AM

Should you have your painter connected to your winch point or your front bollard?

is there a difference other than for towing?

I have mine attached to the bollard but will change it if the winch point is better.

Pukunui. You are exactly right. The painter should be attatched to the bollard and go through the bow spit.
In addition to that however I have a large d shackle attatched to my winch point, for easy/quick connection of the winch strap.
This stays on the tow point at all times. In the unlikely event that I should need to be towed it is a simple step to thread the painter through this d shackle and you have the efect of it being attatched to that point.
Hopefully it is never needed.
But with all these things if needed it is there, like insurance or a fire extinguisher, you will probably go a life time of boating without ever needing it, but when it is needed you can.
Same with tying off the rope, maybe you will go a life time without it causing problems. BUT.

Frank

Haji

12-11-07, 12:48 PM

Frank I think that your explanation on page 2 presents the most persuasive case that I have heard for tying an anchor recovery rope off the bow rather than using the stern cleat.

Like MM and I gues others I have always tied off from the rear cleat and had no problems BUT given the circumstances that you describe I can see the danger if things go pearshape.

In future I will use the bow cleat every time.

Thank you for going to the trouble to describe the "disaster scenario" in so much detail, it made things very clear and certainly demolished any argument for tying off the rear cleat.

Given the we often argue issues based on personal opinion I think that your clear explanation should serve as a model for anyone who wants to back up their particular case.

Cheers

Pukunui

12-11-07, 04:06 PM

Pukunui. You are exactly right. The painter should be attatched to the bollard and go through the bow spit.
In addition to that however I have a large d shackle attatched to my winch point, for easy/quick connection of the winch strap.
This stays on the tow point at all times. In the unlikely event that I should need to be towed it is a simple step to thread the painter through this d shackle and you have the efect of it being attatched to that point.
Hopefully it is never needed.
But with all these things if needed it is there, like insurance or a fire extinguisher, you will probably go a life time of boating without ever needing it, but when it is needed you can.
Same with tying off the rope, maybe you will go a life time without it causing problems. BUT.

Frank

Thanks mate,
i also have a D shackle on my winch point, so sounds like i have it set up right.:beerchug:

nimrod

12-11-07, 04:28 PM

Haji. As much as it may seem. It is not my intention for me to come across on this site as a know it all type person, I have a certain amount of fishing and boating knowledge that has been gained over many years and many adventures. I don't for one minute regard myself as knowing it all, and I usually learn something new just about every time I go out into this wonderful and diverse world.
When I do know something beyond a shadow of a doubt through personal
experience I do like to get my point across. Especially if it has to do with safety.
People like Wayne and indeed many others, seem to look at me as being an old fart or hasbeen, and I should take a back row seat, cause nobody knows things like the younger generation does.
And because they see someone ( who should know better ) do something that agrees with the way they do it, they think that means they are right. VERY WRONG.
It would be a feather in their cap if they could some how prove me wrong.
With this particular subject I will not and can not be proven wrong.
As what I say has and does and can happen very easily.
I have had this arguement with many people and in fact I have argued the point with the person who showed me how to use the system in the first place. Back in the early 70's.
A gentleman ( since passed on ) by the name of Ron Calcutt, and it took me a while to convince him not to TIE off to the back as well, but once he seen what can happen he adapted my method.
If they knew a little about why and how things work, they would be able to work out for themselves that an object travelling along in a certain direction, suddenly gets snagged and cant go any further, then something
must happen. A boat tied at the back the rope tightens up ( you wouldn't be able to untie it cause the knot has tightened up.) The motor is still pushing forward, the motor starts going down in a hell of an angle sort of like full tilt, this along with the forward motion of the boat ( which has suddenly stopped ) pushes the rear of the boat under water, the stretch on the rope that has gone to it's extreme limits now starts to recoil which in turn pulls the boat backwards, with the motor still trying to go forward and the boats nose/bow facing skyward, WHAT HAPPENS ???.

BTW I do apologise for hijacking your topic and turning it into a free for all, but when it could mean the difference between someone's life or death, I do try and let as many people as I can know the problems tying a rope off to the back of a boat can cause.

Frank

Dog Catcher

12-11-07, 04:31 PM

Just to add to the D Shackl e @ the winch post
Would rather have it over the winch cable any day & it's the 1st thing that gets secured once I drive the boat up as far as I'm concerned the winch cable is only a secondary failsafe.

I know not everyone drives there boat onto the trailer & prob thinking what's he on about.

But those who dont do so should get in the practice of using a shackle evein if it's on a chain.

A couple of months back I took a mate out for a fish & the ninny didn't secure the shackle even though I explained the proceedure & he'd done it B4.

Didn't notice till next time out I do walk arounds the boat B4 taking off & noticed the hook on the winch cable near dead straight & the shackle wasn't secured.

Reckon if I didn't live so close to the ramp I would've lost the boat for sure previous trip

fishinf

12-11-07, 10:34 PM

i am planing to go night fishing on the weekend with two boats
the second boat will have my brother and nephew iwant them close
enough to me so i can talk to them and help them fish but i dont want them banging into me .
so i was thinking of ankering one boat from the bow then up
iv never done this stream
about 10 meters away anker the other boat from the bow then pull the two rearends twogether mayby 4feet apart
iv never done this before dose it sound like a good plan
sounds good in theiory

mulloway mayhem

12-11-07, 10:43 PM

hey maurice.....mate you should just anchor up where you want to fish......then get ur bro to go past u and throw out the anchor about 15 mtrs in front of u then he lets out his rope till you are both beside eachother....but be about 10 mtrs or so apart and you can still chat but you wont be to close that you might bang into oneanother.....

hope this helps if u cant understand i might trey again to re word it better........:luck:

oh and i hope you catch some good fish buddy.......:red party:

Dog Catcher

12-11-07, 10:45 PM

i am planing to go night fishing on the weekend with two boats

Why dont you just glue them together & make a sharkcat ???

That way you only need one anchor :idiot:

fishinf

12-11-07, 10:45 PM

2Pipperty

12-11-07, 10:54 PM

yeah i get it mm sounds good il let you know about the fish
Hey Maurice,

i can tell you even if you are 50m apart, at night you will still hear one another, to tell you a short story, I went out with Wayneo earlier in the year and and another fishing guru was about 30m from us, and about 11pm they were asleep 30m away in a half cabin and I could not sleep from the snoring I could hear from the other boat.....:banghead: :wtf:
Trust me noise travels and if you want to chat all will be good. :red party: