baitrunner 6500

[MrEvolution]

guys i took my new 6500 yesterday no problems with the reel itself

but i had problems all day with the line itself

i dont know whether its because its cheap line or not but maybe someone can help me out

ive got suffix 30 braid on it

i put it on my 12ft beach rod at the start of the day had a lot of weight

tangled up

changed the sinker to a lighter weight

tangled up

these arent small knots either im going to have to strip bout 40 yards of line
to get rid of the knots

anyone know why this might be happening

[Mr Potato Head]

Could be a number of reasons..

Too much on the spool, Wound onto spool twisted?
Were you casting into the wind? Or leaving alot of line out that was loose?

Ib be going mono for that application..

[MrEvolution]

umm i really dont know coz the guys at amazon the spooling

they woulda backed it too

umm there was no wind at all

sorry forgot to mention it was getting tangled as i was casting it

especially when i was putting effort into casting it

but when i didnt put effort into it it didnt get tangled

[kingyfisher]

When you cast mono it stretchs about 10% ,you may be used to this in your casting action,but braid doesn't .You could try using a shock leader (4-5m) of heavy mono and that may smooth it out

[MrEvolution]

how do i use a shock leader where do i attach it
umm is there a way i can kurb this problem without losing too much line

[xtosea]

May be the braid itself, i have cast a 12ft Beach Rod with Fireline on it fine all the time, may be the way it was put on the spool. I can cast it fairly far and have not had problems with it coming off the spool of a BTR 6500, not yet anyway.
To put a chockleader just tie it to the end of your Braid about 3 lengths of the rod, probably in similar lb to your braid.


Kamil

[MrEvolution]

ok cool i think it might just be the braid or as someone else said the way it was put on

but amazon have a machine to put lines on reels so could that effect it ive never had a problem with any of the work theyve done to my spoolings before

[xtosea]

It may be the braid but its a hard one to solve without actually looking at it, i know places that have spooling machines and still stuff it up, my mate had his BTR4500 spooled on the wrong way, you could not even pull the line thru the guides without a bunch of it coming off at one time.
Kamil

[MrEvolution]

ok no problems i guess ill just have to cast it softly without trying to much coz thats what was causing a few problems for some weird a55 reason

[Dog Catcher]

MrEvolution for the life of me I cant see the reasoning for using Braid esp on a bait outfit but that's just me & I'll criticise any day & everyday.

Now getting back to your tangles ??

The most likely reason for that happening is your 1st turn of the handle bringing up the slack if the braid has not gone on evenly then you'll get those wind knots all day eveyday.

Some reels are suited to Braid others are not & my guess your's is knot :rolling laughter:

[MrEvolution]

o thats another thing hehe didnt think bout it

[Dog Catcher]

Well that's why you should leave the Thinking to me :rolling laughter: :rolling laughter:

[MrEvolution]

yay ive upgraded to a snapper im catching ya blue marlin lol a long way behind

[storms72]

Evo man, I'v not used as many different brands of braid as others but some do cast better and without loops pulling causing the knots you have mentioned.....It can be caused as Kamil said by incorrectly spooling the line onto your reel, I put a fair bit of pressure on the spool when putting braid on it lays evenly on the reel and I'v had no probs. Give the ling on your reel a squeeze it shouldn't compress very much-if it does then its not on tight enough and I would take it back to Amazon and get em to re-spool it a bit tighter!

When fishing with lures or off beach/rocks and the line is slack I grab it before the reel and hold a bit of pressure on for a couple of turns of the handle till the line is tight then let it go and retrieve as normal...

I'm currently using Pioneer Palladium braid on 2 of my reels and this E-bay special called Bonzai on my 6500 and LRG silstar spin reel! No casting issues with any of these.

Good luck buddy
Jason

[Dog Catcher]

much-if it does then its not on tight enough and I would take it back to Amazon and get em to re-spool it a bit tighter!


MrEvolution !

If I were you I would not pay a great deal of attention to that comment cause if you take it back you'll look like an idiot in front of the staff @ amazon.

Simply because you've allready used the outfit cast out with it , retrieved the line back onto the reel yourself so there's no possible way Amazon can be accountable for the tension the Braid goes back onto your reel.

Is There ?????????????

[storms72]

Why not...You buy something and it doesn't work how it should you have every right to return it.....I did exactly this when I first picked up my 6500, first cast and it knotted, ended up losing quite a few meters of line and my local was happy to sort out the problem, they gave me a new spool of braid and I re-spooled it myself!

As I said if the prob has been caused by poor tension on the spool which anyone with half a brain would know is caused when the line is loaded onto the reel....tension may be fine and its just that braid....

Seems someone is failing to read posts properly again maybe I should post in large bold letters too:idiot:

[Dog Catcher]

Well it seems to me that you do your purching Braid purchasing on E-Bay looking for bargains

So how could you possible have returned & got given a new spool by a tackle shop owner ?????????????

And dont come back with any more of your http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/853/bull****6ib.jpg because if anyone wants to see your shoping habits it's very easy to do so all they have to do is dig up all your past replies.

Just about all of them are you telling members here that they should buy oversea's or on E-Bay.

In order to be successful @ lying you need to be convincing & I'm afraid you are far from that.

[storms72]

I really give up trying to tell you to actually read ones posts before shooting your big stupid mouth off...You yet again have have proven how big a fool you are and only seem to be good at one thing trying to stir up trouble! Yet again you need to get your foot out of your mouth and Go get a life fool! Are you going to start your swearing and name calling again, go on lower yourself to that level you go there so often you might as well call it home!:rolling laughter:

Will explain it to you seeing as you are too simple to get it, when I first picked up the reel(as I said in my post) the braid was loaded badly, took it back, got new braid. I have since re-loaded it with the E-bay stuff as the original purchase was for 600m and had 300 spare in the garage....actually now have 15kg mono on the 6500....

Lies, still waiting for you to prove the ones you carried on with a while back....

Sorry for hi-jacking your thread EVO, will PM you later mate!:beerchug:

[mulloway mayhem]

mate i would just take it back to amazons and see what they say....could be an easy problem fixed.......or maybe your just doin something different now your got the braid.....

mate all my rods have 6500s on em and i cast out massive baits and dont have any probs........maybe you should let your line out and get some one to hold it tight and wind it back on your reel just to see if it makes a difference....
good luck and let us know what you decide to do.........:luck:

[fishinf]

yeah like wayno said i used to tie my line of alvey reels to a tree walk away then wind it back in to easy hope thats the problem

[Dog Catcher]

I would take it back to Amazon and get em to re-spool it a bit tighter!


Key words a bit tighter !

Suggest you start reading your own remarks B4 accusing others of not doing so storms72.1

The .1 is your attention span & ability to absorb information when I quoted your initial remark my comments contained substance & meaning

you'll look like an idiot in front of the staff @ amazon.

The staff there would only say but we spooled it correctly & it was MrEvolution's casting skills that were @ fault because the tension was lost with his casting & retrieving.

Unless you propose that MrEvolution runs back to Amazon after every time he retrieve a bait gets it re-tensioned B4 the next cast ??????????????

See storms some of us actually think B4 opening our mouths I'm afraid you've yet to master that ability.

Now MrEvolution as stated by others there's no harm in taking the outfit back to Amazon to see what the staff have to say just dont walk in accusing them that they didn't spool it on correctly & that it needs to be re-spooled else they'll laugh @ you for being a smartar*e esp if you tell them storms said their spooling job was the problem :rolling laughter:

Another thing you may want to look @ as well is the size of your 1st guide ???

I'm only saying this cause I have no idea what type of rod you are using exept that it's a beach rod.

Now if the 1st guide is a of a small size then it could very well be the cause of your probs.

By that I mean braid leaving your spool @ speed [6500 is a pretty large spool] then coming to a restriction because the 1st guide is to small, to it bunch's up & tangles you

[storms72]

Why'd you even post in this thread Dog....you've made it clear more than once you dislike braid so why waste others time with your jibberish about something you know nothing about!

BTW, do tell em you spoke to me, get em to call me(PM me for my number if you've lost it), when you've got the retail smarts I have its amazing how easy it is to come out on top if it turns out the reel was spooled too loosely which wouldn't be caused by a few casts Evo, seeing as I actually use braid and have had the same thing happen due to myself not spooling correctly the first time I loaded up a reel with it.

Wouldn't worry bout mentioning Dog's name if you go back to Amazon as theyll only laugh and say sorry we don't sell Viva here!:rolling laughter: :rolling laughter:

[Dog Catcher]

Why'd you even post in this thread Dog....

To shoot down stupid & irrisponsible comments that you continually make giving peeps very poor or misguided advice.

It's one of my pet hates seeing bad advice given to to people & you're very good @ it I might add.

You have this bad habit of taking what another member has suggested , sucking up to that person to get some browny points with them, then you go off 1/2 cocked making suggestions of no value or significance without a shred of usefull information given.

How about thinking B4 you open that big mouth of yours that never stops flapping & @ the same time says nothings ???

That way I could go on with my buisness of ignoring you instead of correcting you all the time ?????????????????

[xtosea]

Children Children settle down please.
Thank you
Mwa
Kamil

[storms72]

:rolling laughter: think the guys here realise I'm much better than you want to try tell them I am Dog, and save the correction cause if you could read a post you would too realise I may just be right!:rolling laughter:

[stylo]

I would ..

1) respool. Either ask Amazons or do it yourself or get a forum member to help you (i.e. ask either dogcatcher or storms, but not both .. heheh :duel:)

2) AND, silly as this may seem, but are u using a spinning rod or an overhead rod ? The guides are spaced differently and 'may' cause tangles.

I don't use braid on my BTR, only mono, so I don't know first hand what your problem is, but just trying to give ya a hand :cool-smiley:

[rowdey]

what entertainment you 2 huhuhu lol i ve had dramas with braid dont like dramas wen fushin but i fush to relax 80% of time:headbang:

[Dog Catcher]

That's why I stopped using Braid rowdey

Had a pretty good run with the stuff for 7 months or so mind you I only used it on my spin sticks.

Then one day in particular I spent most of the day pulling out knots a good mono is just as good if not better than braid.

Just a bit of trivia

Seems that only in Oz the braid has really taken off, over in the USA where alot of our trends come from braid dosen't even get a wee bit of the market & the yanks much prefer their mono's

[storms72]

:rolling laughter: Good on ya Rowdy!

I haven't used braid for long only the last 3yrs but really like the strength for its diameter and it does cast a lot better compared to mono of the same breaking strain but like all things each has its benefits. I believe its a personal thing wether you use it or not.

Same here Stylo just offering a hand, sometimes its appreciated sometimes not and thats just how it is hey!

[MrEvolution]

guys just got off the phone to amazon and spoke to the guy

his exact words were thats braid for you
he said to take some line off it or let it wear in but

should get better with time

i have had experience with braid and im guessing i may
have to take more line off it and just keep wearing it in

[leelee]

MrEvolution for the life of me I cant see the reasoning for using Braid esp on a bait outfit but that's just me & I'll criticise any day & everyday

I’m not having a shot at you DC but I have been using braid ( fused and true braids ) for over 6 years.

I have said it before and I will say it again. No matter what style of fishing you do, either bait or lures, you will always be more in contact with the end of your line. You will feel more bites and bumps and touches than with mono. Plus the benefits of being able to see a fish take the lure or bait on the drop and watch the line start sinking quickly is something that only braid can offer.

I use it for almost everything and I can tell you when live baiting that I can feel the lively starting to get upset when he is being harassed long before you ever would with mono.

I have 6kg braid on my 3500btr and have had the same braid for 6 years. It was the first reel I ever had spooled with braid and it still has the same braid on it today. I have never had wind knots with it and there are heaps of reasons as to why the knots occur.

The main reason I have found is the fact that its limper than mono and if using swivels and the sinker is a running sinker above the swivel or running to the hook you may actually get the line twisting and forming loops and knots in mid air during casting. Other than that then next biggest reason is actually that the spool is overfull and after than the next reason is that it not wound on the spool tight enough and after that it’s the quality of the braid and then finally user error.

Braid is hard to use and if you get wind knots don’t pull on them as normally they are loops that are twisted and are not knots but when people yank on the loops they pull tight and actually tighten a loop around another loop causing a knot. Take your time to unpick the line much the same way as you would when you get a birds nest with a baitcaster reel.

The choice is up to you Mr Evolution but don’t be turned off it after one bad experience.

Cheers

Lee

[Dog Catcher]

Fair call leelee !

And as I said it's just my opinion but I still have & use braid on my overheads like calcutters/chronarchs etc.

Think one thing that you & alot of others fail to realise is ???

You Fish & on a regular basis & so do the likes of guys here like beats , BS etc & when you fish regularly you get to tame your gear & dictate to that gear how to perform.

Prob I find is when the novices on sites like this read your reports & comments on items like braid they think it's all to easy & they get into strife.

I'm not going to debate the goods & bads of braids again think it gets a bit boring after a while but I will say one thing though !

Cant agree that braid gives you the edge over mono in the feel dept esp when lure casting.

Mono dosen't have that much stretch over the short distant refered to & I really believe that feel comes from a very good rod which I'm assuming that you have.

I use mono on my threadline spin outfits & I also feel every tap , knock & grab & that comes from the rod blank not the line as I said mono dosen't stretch that much over that short distance to warrant it's infirior.

[MrEvolution]

leelee i like what you said and what you say is so true

the running sinker to a swivel yes i do use that

but look guys im going to go out this saturday down to kiama

live bait yellow tail or squid heard reports of kings

anyways probably get myself some floats and balloons

im going to try solve this problem whether to as some of you have suggested the following

over spooled - put line onto another reel

umm running sinker

put line on tighter

umm what i will do take a fair bit of line off the reel

coz the braid i bought was 300 yards now the reel itself max is 30 pound id say some of you know that also that would be on mono and we all know braid is so much finer so would be alot more line on there then there should be who knows exactly how much.

what i will do i will come back saturday afternoon hopefully problem solved i am fairly sure there is to much line on there which maybe the problem.

and as i have said before amazon have never screwed me over

ive always bought braid for 125 yards never for such a big reel though

anyways storms i dont have your number i dont think you gave it to me

if i have more problems with it i will get in touch with you ill send you private mail

if any one else has suggestions can you send me an email

thanks guys for the all the help much appreciated

ps . ever since i have started using braid 90% off my reels have braid one problem wont make me stop using it you just have a lot better feel with braid more in tact with your lures i love jigging for squid i reckon jigging for squid and braid are a match made in heaven specially lifting those big squid outta the water when there is no net around

[storms72]

No worries EVO, will have to get in touch one day I gotta get you out on my boat once its finished mate....Good luch sorting the prob out mate....Just be careful to check your line reguarly if fishing from the rocks as you don't want to lose any fish if your line has scraped over them and gotten a bit thin!

[MrEvolution]

yeh thanks for the heads up

cant wait till the boats finished storms

love to get out on a boat when i can

just enjoy being on the water

[leelee]

I agree that true braids work best on baitacters compared to fused lines.

DC that’s cool but in all honestly its got nothing to do with taming your gear.

Mate I have done a fair amount of work in a tackle store and I converted a large amount of customers over to braid and fused lines and I must say that about 5% came back and told me they did not like it. The main reason was because it was so hard to tie knots in cause it was to thin. The rest of the customers thought it was the best thing and since spooled majority of their reels with the super lines.

I remember when I first started to use braid that I never had an issue. I have had issues with wind knots etc but I know why they occurred and fixed the problem.


Cant agree that braid gives you the edge over mono in the feel dept esp when lure casting.

Mono dosen't have that much stretch over the short distant refered to & I really believe that feel comes from a very good rod which I'm assuming that you have.

I use mono on my threadline spin outfits & I also feel every tap , knock & grab & that comes from the rod blank not the line as I said mono dosen't stretch that much over that short distance to warrant it's infirior.

I respecty your opinion as you do what is best for your style of fishing.

Here is an example. I fish 1 rod with braid and fish hardbodys and can feel every little tap when the lure is either hit or connects with the bottom or picks up a bit of weed. I also use another rod with straight through fluorocarbon ( which has less stretch than mono but still has stretch ) and I can only feel when I hook up on a fish or the lure becomes covered in weed. Both are on the same rod and reel as I have identical outfits and the distance in casting is less than 30m and the lures are kept on a taught line. Anyone one that fishes the same way can back up this. Personally Its not the just the stretch factor with mono it’s also the fact that the line is thicker.

I have also fished some deep water with braid and used to with mono and if fishing very very deep water braid wins hands down.

Deadsticking a lure or bait on the bottom with braid versus mono is simply a no brainer as you will always feel the slightest hits with braid.

I am quite happy to bet everything I own on the fact that I can feel what’s going on with my line more with braid than I can with mono. It’s a proven fact and at least 90% of anglers that have used braids can say the same.

Like you I like to give advice on what i know and how I have done and what I have done in the past and how its has worked for me.

These are just my experiences I have had and I have used and still do use both types of lines when I need to.

Cheers

Lee

[stylo]

There is no doubt that braid/fused lines get the vote for soft plastics / HB fishing ..

But ....... are we still undecided as to whether bait fishing is best with mono or braid ?

Or is it still a preference call ?

[leelee]

I recon its still a preference call for bait fishing. These days the only bait fishing I do is with livebaits and I have not done that for at least 6 months.

I have not done any bottom bouncing for a while now, but when I did with braid, I was catching heaps more fish than the others in the boat, some of who are seasoned fisho’s.

I just think that if people are catching fish and you are enjoying it then don’t change if you don’t want to, especially if you have the runs on the board.

Braid still has its downfalls though and is not suited to every single style of fishing.

Cheers

Lee

[storms72]

I like your reasoning with the hardbodies Lee and agree with you-I have started only using braid and not only is it good for feeling the drags and scrapes and hits but you have much better chances of getting the lure from the tree/snag/eel when you get a bit messy with the casting!

Do you think the mono thing with bait would have to do with its visibility in the water--If the fish can't really see the line I reckon it would be more tempted to hit a still bait as opposed to using braid where you can see the line?

[Dog Catcher]

There is no doubt that braid/fused lines get the vote for soft plastics / HB fishing ..

But ....... are we still undecided as to whether bait fishing is best with mono or braid ?

Or is it still a preference call ?

A bit knackered tonight guys so wont add anything exept in regards to your reply stylo !

That's exactly where I dislike braid immensly I'll cite tangles for now but will add to it later ron.

leelee think you'll enjoy this pic mate 1st Brimus on a HB only ever used them once maybe twice B4 it did go all the way to the 40 cm mark & was a rip snorta.

On 3kg mono & like yourself I felt every touch today but still think it's the quality of the blank that allows you to feel every tap.

[xtosea]

Thats a ripper fish JG, what a staunch looking Bream!
Oh and about 2moro, i cant go cause the missus is sick and needs some TLC lol
A 180kg Blue was caught yesterday too inside Browns on 24kg, still no further news on the 421kg weighed last night either???
Stef or Nathan, got anything further to add to the story, i know many people are asking about it, someone speak to Thorpey and get some more details please?????????????????????????
Kamil

[xtosea]

Just to add i'm spewing i cant go cause the SST's look crazy, there is a break at Browns and one around the Baitstation!
THe fish are there for sure, its warmer water too, 2moro is gonna be a top day fishing out there!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Arghhhhhhhh!!!!!!
All the best to all that venture out 2moro!!!! im jealous!
Look at these SSt's (http://www.bom.gov.au/oceanography/forecasts/idyoc14.shtml?region=14&forecast=2#).
Kamil

[Dog Catcher]

@ marlins with big snozza's @ canyons 2day boys rang up after you did

Going out with then 2morro couldn't be bothered loading the boat up 2night.

ps] the guys who got my Full Moon last week :rolling laughter:

[quintrex101]

nice bream j.g ...

i got some fireline 10lb ... used it 2 times and then just ripped it of the spool .. i do not like braid for fishing rivers ...

only outside fishing .... braid is too hard to cut and tangles a fair bit ... plus hate the cost of the bloody thing get buy heeps more mono for the $$$ they ask for braid



good luck on fishing tomorrow i hope you catch the big one

[xtosea]

All the best 100% you will get one!
I bet my left nut on it
All the best champion.
Kamil

[MrEvolution]

what i have started on this thread the braid vs mono thread is somewhere else lol

nah look guys my only day off the next 2 weeks so im going to spend it taking line off this reel

will put it on a spare spool then maybe go down to the local footy grounds and try casting it around see if gets tangled storms if you are free 2moro get in touch maybe if i cant sort it out i maybe able to bring the gear up to you to check it out ill send you a mail in a sec with contact info

[quintrex101]

All the best 100% you will get one!
I bet my left nut on it
All the best champion.
Kamil

oh thats right you lost your right nut on another bet with dc :lol: :rolling laughter: :rolling laughter:

[leelee]

leelee think you'll enjoy this pic mate 1st Brimus on a HB only ever used them once maybe twice B4 it did go all the way to the 40 cm mark & was a rip snorta.

On 3kg mono & like yourself I felt every touch today but still think it's the quality of the blank that allows you to feel every tap.

That’s a quality fish there well done. This time of year was my favourite as 5kg+ bags from the harbour were pretty common and 1.5kg+ seemed to be everywhere. I can't wait for the fish to start spawning up here.

I'm never goign to change my view on this as will you. I just wanted to let people know of my experiences I have had useing braid for over 6 years now. I think in that time I have had just about every scenario happen with wind knots, birds nests, tangles, tip wraps, guide wraps etc etc I agree that partially its the blank but how come i have 2 absolute identical outfits ( reels, rods ) and when one is used with braid and the other with flurou I can feel less with the fluruo than I can with the braid.

Don't get me wrong it was only a few years ago i used to also run a straight through 6lb setup, mono yes mono and the loss of feel compared to braid was noticeable. Same identical setups. have a mate who only fishes 6lb mono straight through and he catches a heap of fish so its not the fish im talking about. The pic in my avatar was taken in the Hawkesbury and guess what I got him on? 4lb straight through mono. I did not know I ever had him on to the drag started screaming.

Maybe you have a better feel for mono than majority of people im not sure. Its not uncommon as some people just have a better feel and touch for certain things.

Cheers

Lee

P.S Good luck tomorrow chasing beakies. There have been stuff all up here and the mackerel run was nearly non existent up here as the same with the beakies. Hope you guys get into a few:ohhh yeah:

[mulloway mayhem]

All the best 100% you will get one!
I bet my left nut on it.
Kamil

come on Kman you can bet bigger bets then that....thats only a small bet..........

[Dog Catcher]

That’s a quality fish there well done. This time of year was my favourite as 5kg+ bags from the harbour were pretty common and 1.5kg+ seemed to be everywhere. I can't wait for the fish to start spawning up here.

I'm never goign to change my view on this as will you. I just wanted to let people know of my experiences I have had useing braid for over 6 years now. I think in that time I have had just about every scenario happen with wind knots, birds nests, tangles, tip wraps, guide wraps etc etc I agree that partially its the blank but how come i have 2 absolute identical outfits ( reels, rods ) and when one is used with braid and the other with flurou I can feel less with the fluruo than I can with the braid.

Don't get me wrong it was only a few years ago i used to also run a straight through 6lb setup, mono yes mono and the loss of feel compared to braid was noticeable. Same identical setups. have a mate who only fishes 6lb mono straight through and he catches a heap of fish so its not the fish im talking about. The pic in my avatar was taken in the Hawkesbury and guess what I got him on? 4lb straight through mono. I did not know I ever had him on to the drag started screaming.

Maybe you have a better feel for mono than majority of people im not sure. Its not uncommon as some people just have a better feel and touch for certain things.

Cheers

Lee

P.S Good luck tomorrow chasing beakies. There have been stuff all up here and the mackerel run was nearly non existent up here as the same with the beakies. Hope you guys get into a few:ohhh yeah:

Gamefishing is what I used to love so much but can handle just about any outfit you put in my hands [exept for fly still haven't tried out my outfits yet so no comment but you're not allowed to :rolling laughter: when I do ]

Think stylo summed it up the best as far as braid goes bait/lures ??

It's a bitch with bait esp if as you said it sinks faster which is true no good if you're fishing over reefy bottoms cause braid just stack up to mono in the abbrasion resistant dept

ps] did nail one tagged & realeased to buggered to start a thread sorry MrEvolution for posting here



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[MrEvolution]

hey guys fixed the problem took a fair amount of line of the reel

yeah and took it out last night

no problems at all

threw a live squid stupid fish took the head off it

[leelee]

Glad it worked out work out mrevolution.

Dc, nice beaky there and don't worry about the fly fishing because I think i would be hooking myself and anyone within a 20m radius on my backcasting, hence the reason for me never giving it a go. Pretty mucht eh same as using a cast net up here, I woudl probably cast my self out into the water :rolling laughter:

Cheers

Lee

[storms72]

Good news there Evo, sorry for not replying to your msg's am still pretty stuffed from fishing on the weekend and being woken up early due to a leaky live bait tank:rolling laughter: .

[MrEvolution]

that would really suck storms

haha i shoulda tagged ya livebait for you