What leader do you use for bream and larger fish?

[emboli]

I was wondering, what brand do you guys use for leaders when rigging for 1) bream and 2) kingfish 3) jewies

I know the fluorocarbon leaders are very popular these days. Do you guys have any recommendations?

Ive heard vanish is quite good (Made by Berkley) and Seaguar

thanks in advance.

[leelee]

Mate I use the following –

BREAM
3lb Nitlon
4lb Nitlon
4lb Bass Hard
5lb Siglon
6lb Sunline V Hard
6lb Bass Hard
8lb Nitlon
10lb Nitlon
12lbNitlon
16lb Sunline
20lb Vanish

KINGS
16lb Sunline
20lb Vanish
20 lb Jinkai (mono)
40lb Jinkai (mono)
60lb Jinkai (mono)
60lb Moimoi (mono)
80lb Jinkai (mono)

Can’t help with Jews because I don’t really fish for them

Cheers

Lee

[xtosea]

You will catch most of your Jews on 30Lb to 10kg, above that you may want to up it to 50lb even up to 80lb, but i would not bother going over 80lb. Most of my fish have been caught using 30lb and 40lb.It is ample.
Kamil

[imnotafish]

Nitlon is good in light lines.
Really, the only thing id add to lee's superb post is, for kings around structure, you can feel free to use a more abrasive resistant leader even though there will be more memory
Penn 10x in 50lb is great. ive never found them shy of it. Ande is also good. Both are less silky to use in comparison to jinkai but are heaps better around things that can cut your lne up.

[catchnrelease]

I disagree, I've been using Nitlon for my breaming and I'm disappointed with it when compared to Yamatoyo. Thicker in diameter and not as supple.

[leelee]

I disagree, I've been using Nitlon for my breaming and I'm disappointed with it when compared to Yamatoyo. Thicker in diameter and not as supple.


What has actually made you dissappointed with Nitlon?

Cheers

Lee

[kingyfisher]

Great stuff Lee.
Just add my 2cents worth. Cn'R, Drummoyne bait &Tackle have neat little spools of German 'Platil' flouro leader,costs $10 but it is supple and very fine.I use it all the time for clear water Breaming.
For Kings from Wharves it is VERY hard to beat 'Seagur' flouro in 40-50lb(if you can find it),it used to be sold by Kokoda ,real value,(then they went down market ) it LOOKS absolute crap ,cloudy translucent,but it is the BEES KNEES for Kings on heavy structure.We have also used it for Big Mac Tuna as leader too and it was great off the stones

[KingsRule]

bait fishing for kings and jews i generally use the moi moi leader in 60lb, i think black pete make or distribute it. Its good value ($12 for 50m) and i havnt had any issues with it.

[catchnrelease]

What has actually made you dissappointed with Nitlon?

Cheers

Lee

Mainly the fact that the Nitlon is pretty stiff and has a lot more memory when compared to the good Yamatoyo stuff. Yama is thinner which means I can get away with heavier leaders but mainly it's the suppleness. I also find the Yama slightly more abrasion resistant but it's really slight. Yama is just a better product IMO.

[Dog Catcher]

Great stuff Lee.
Just add my 2cents worth. Cn'R, Drummoyne bait &Tackle have neat little spools of German 'Platil' flouro leader,costs $10 but it is supple and very fine.I use it all the time for clear water Breaming.



Noticed you said fluro & NOT fluro carbon.

All you're buying is normal fishing line & paying for the packaging which is a bit of a waste of money.

I had a guy fish with me last tuesday who pulled out a spool of 120 lb ANDE fluro carbon.

So he claimed

When I looked @ the spool, it was ordinary fluro, nylon or whatever one choose's to call ordinary fishing line.

With a $15 price tage on the spool I sorta paid out on him told him he got ripped.

All these spools are is a handy wittle package that's all

If it were true fluro carbon the price would've been over $100 for a 50 yard spool I know cause I have the stuff as small as 6lb all the way up to 150 lb .

Easy way to check if leader is indeed fluro carbon, just burn the end with a cigarette lighter if it turns black then you've got fluro carbon, the black is the lines carbon content charing up.

If the line just melts & stays pretty clear you've got ordinary mono

[catchnrelease]

Chris I have some of that Platil stuff in 15lb. It's pretty good but thicker than Yama and has quite a bit of memory which can be attributed to the small spool size.

I also have some Nitlon in 25lb and am disappointed with it's extremely high memory and stiffness. I like soft leaders, it makes working with it a hell of a lot easier. I find it easier to tie knots in 40lb mono than the 25lb Nitlon. Maybe a bad batch?

I dunno what you're jumping about DC or JG or whatever your name is, at $100 for 50m of light stuff (maybe not so for really heavy duty stuff) you got ripped. Nitlon and Yama are true fluoro's, I have tested with your method.

[Dog Catcher]

I dunno what you're jumping about DC or JG or whatever your name is, at $100 for 50m of light stuff (maybe not so for really heavy duty stuff) you got ripped. Nitlon and Yama are true fluoro's, I have tested with your method.


Let me tell you something Gogglefush !

For a 16 yo I doubt you do enough fishing nor do you have enough expirience to be so opiniated esp when it comes to tackle.

Doubt very much you have the know how to make some of the comments that you do.

My belief is you roam the forums picking up dribs & drabs of what others have said & mold them all into your own version of events.

Let me tell you something right now !

Fishing tackle is only an extention of a Fishermen's ability to catch fish nothing more & nothing less.

You can rave on all you like about line memory thiner diameter lines etc

BUT if you are NOT a fisherman then all the tackle in the world cant help you out.

I've used the nitlon as well & haven't had the probs you've described.

[leelee]

CnR i agree Nitlon is a stiffer line and a bit thicker than most fc's but it does have fantastic knot strength.

Personally I have not had any issues with memory from the nitlon and i use a heap of 3lb stuff and i thinks its pretty subtle stuff and its gets me the results. Thats exactly what i expect from a leader.

Everyone has their own favourite leaders, but i remember when berkley Vanish was the so called best fc leader around. Personally I think it is still better than 50% of the jap crap fc we get here.

Cheers

Lee

[catchnrelease]

Well the yama in 4lb and 6lb was great. Knot strength was never an issue.

I'll definitely be going back to Yama, but there is a fluorocarbon made by Linesystem (may be that egging one, may be something different) that I might try. The one problem with Yama is that it's hard to come by, I have to order mine online to get my hands on it.

[kingyfisher]

Well the yama in 4lb and 6lb was great. Knot strength was never an issue.

I'll definitely be going back to Yama, but there is a fluorocarbon made by Linesystem (may be that egging one, may be something different) that I might try. The one problem with Yama is that it's hard to come by, I have to order mine online to get my hands on it.

i agree 4lb/2kg of a good jap flouro is as good as it gets for Bream :rolleyes:

[leelee]

I'll definitely be going back to Yama, but there is a fluorocarbon made by Linesystem (may be that egging one, may be something different) that I might try.

If you think that Nitlon is thick then the linesystems stuff is like rope. My 8lb Nitlon is thinner than thier 6lb stuff adn the 4lb stuff is pretty thick stuff. I use it but only in some very certain situations.

Cheers

Lee

[catchnrelease]

I've only heard of the linesystem stuff, never seen it in the flesh so if it is really thick then maybe not. Nitlon is good, I'm not saying it's a totally sh*t line, but i my opinion Yama is the best fluorocarbon I have used.

DC that's a big call there since you've never met me. I'm 16 so what? How do you know how much I fish? Nitlon is OK, maybe mine was a bad batch, BTW I've still gotten fish on it. The platil stuff is OK too and it would certainly catch fish as Platil is a reputed company that makes good product, I have caught plenty of fish on Platil line. It is also very good value for money. However the yama is still the best to use (for me).

[Dog Catcher]

I didn't give you the name Gogglefish for no reason @ all the name serves a purpose.

And yes I can read you like a book, I take the time to actually read peoples posts & you're no exeption.

I'm 16 so what?

That in itself says it all

Tell me why did you do an about face on the Nitlon from being crap to now being OK ?????

See that's what I'm on about, you bow to pressure whereas someone who knows what he's on about sticks to his guns.

It would be very safe to assume I know a hell of alot more about tackle than most & I often sit here & laugh to myself reading what some have to say about tackle.

They'll sit there rubbishing one brand but sit there praising the exact same product only because it's marketed under a different brand name.

So you tell me who's the ones talking cr*p ???????????????

Line is a personal preference & unlike like other tackle the German made stuff has allways had the reputation to be amoungst the best in the world that's why my preference is ANDE.

Their fluro carbons are nice & limp in the lighter lines but they do get alot stiffer in the heavier lines such as the 150 lb stuff I use on YFT traces.

You raved on about lines memory ??

I find that over the top cause unless you're removing the reel from the rod after each outing & winding the line back onto the spool, then you cant argue the trace has a memory cause it loses any memory being stretched through the rods guides.

It's remarks like that which get me going & why I brand people parrots, all you're doing is relaying what you've read else where into your replys.

Next time sit back & think about what you are saying if it has logic then nobody will pick on your comments.

[catchnrelease]

Tell me why did you do an about face on the Nitlon from being crap to now being OK ?????

OK in itself and based on what I've heard (but that's just what I've heard), my batch (which is probably a bad batch) is crap and Nitlon is poor when compared to Yama.

When going light, lines with high memory become a hassle and don't straighten out all too quick due to the fact that they're rarely under a lot of pressure. That I learnt from my own experience thankyou very much. How do you know what I read? You can't see what's in my head. I fish a lot more than what I post, and I only post what's post worthy and what I see will get replies. During school it's not too often, only weekends but during holiday's it's almost every day.

[kingyfisher]

Go easy D C, Cn'R is a good fisho who has cut his teeth on some of the heaviest fished water in the Harbour.I know because that's where I learned.He fishes a lot and is very good.It is very unfair to suggest he is just 'parroting' info!

[Dog Catcher]

Kinky I've not having a go @ him in a bad way I actually like the kid

I've known him on the net for some time now & think I'm very fair with the way I've called things.

I'll have a go @ anyone who dosen't think B4 they speak, I gave him the name gogglefish a long time ago & with good reason so I think I know him alot better than what you give me credit for.

[catchnrelease]

I still don't know why you call me gogglefish or googlefish or whatever. All I know is that it started at SF when I got the name goldfish.

I don't take too much offense but some of the things you said were grossly untrue. I barely ever post my reports on FOS so don't think that reflects how much I fish. I know a lot more than what you think.

[Dog Catcher]

Gogglefush I still dont think you get it.

See if I can explain it to you.

People buy books on how to fish, People join forums like this in a bid to gain some knowledge & a few tips.

You can only learn so much & the basics by reading how to do.

But when you're out on the water on a regular basis you tend use old methods try out new ones, in my case that can be 3 -4 times a week when I'm in the mood.

I get to try out alot of new products & I make up my mind pretty quickly as whether they're a waste of time or not & that's where I pick up on what I deem as nonsense some of the comments made in these threads.

I tire of hearing about memory in mono, fishermen have been using mono for generations & never complained these days with the popularity of braids & in your case fluro's you try to touch on the stupidest things to justify why this product is beter than that one.

And that's what I'm on about cause if hadn't read that somewhere you never would've brought it up cause when your line has been cast out into the water & you're retrieving your lure or bait the lines memory has disappeared in reality & beyond your eyesight so can you possible sit there & bring the subject up unless you've read it somewhere ??????????????????

Next time you're out fishing look for what I just said & maybe then you'll stop all this line memory cr*p

As far as posting reports go ??

I read nothing into that & personally dont post many myself as I think it gets a bit hidious reading about the same fish, spots etc all the time I only do a report if I've done something new.

[catchnrelease]

It's mainly the 25lb Nitlon that exhibits the high memory. No it won't affect anything when in the water but is a pain to use. For example; I go to change lures and when I cut the lure off the line springs back through the guides so I have to pass them back through. Doesn't affect it's performance but very frustrating! The 6lb doesn't exhibit this as much as the 25lb. Also if you wind it onto the spool and for some reason you open the bail and lose pressure on the line, all of it comes loose on the spool and you can't cast that.

That doesn't affect it's performance but it is bloody frustrating. What does affect it's performance is the fact that it's pretty stiff which makes knots a bit harder to tie, and it's pretty thick which means I have to use lighter tests to attain the same diameter and therefore same amount of clarity.

You can say what you want but these are the reasons why I believe Yamatoyo is a superior product to Nitlon, and although Nitlon is a good line it is not as good as Yamatoyo. Not all Japanese lines are good, and some German ones are good stuff but Yamatoyo is the best that I have used, and I like to use the best.

I think I'll leave it at that.

[leelee]

An interesting read this post.

Also if you wind it onto the spool and for some reason you open the bail and lose pressure on the line, all of it comes loose on the spool and you can't cast that.

Mate I have had this happen to me with Nitlon as well and it ****s me. Then again I have had it happen to me with jinkai, vanish, sunline, linesystems, moimoi and the list goes on so its not just Nitlon.

There are a few reasons why this happens and one of them is actually not having enough memory because it trys to straighten itself out into coils that are bigger then the reel and bigger than the spool it came from?????? Go figure that one out The only thing I can think of is that it has less memory.

The other main reasons for the leader coming off the spool is either an overfilled spool or a very heavy leader. I get it a lot when I use 60lb+ on my 3500hd Certate, but mostly it happens when I am not fishing but at home when cleaning up after a day out.

Cheers

Lee

[emboli]

Noticed you said fluro & NOT fluro carbon.

All you're buying is normal fishing line & paying for the packaging which is a bit of a waste of money.

I had a guy fish with me last tuesday who pulled out a spool of 120 lb ANDE fluro carbon.

So he claimed

When I looked @ the spool, it was ordinary fluro, nylon or whatever one choose's to call ordinary fishing line.

With a $15 price tage on the spool I sorta paid out on him told him he got ripped.

All these spools are is a handy wittle package that's all

If it were true fluro carbon the price would've been over $100 for a 50 yard spool I know cause I have the stuff as small as 6lb all the way up to 150 lb .

Easy way to check if leader is indeed fluro carbon, just burn the end with a cigarette lighter if it turns black then you've got fluro carbon, the black is the lines carbon content charing up.

If the line just melts & stays pretty clear you've got ordinary mono

Wow i didnt know that thanks for the great tip. Ill check all my lines immediately

[catchnrelease]

There are a few reasons why this happens and one of them is actually not having enough memory because it trys to straighten itself out into coils that are bigger then the reel and bigger than the spool it came from?????? Go figure that one out The only thing I can think of is that it has less memory.

I think it's because it's coil diameter is larger than the diameter than the spool, and having a high memory will make the line really want to re-size itself into its natural coil size. Stiffness is attributed to memory so a stiff line wouldn't help either. I don't think having less memory will make this problem worse. Think PE braids with no memory whatsoever, they stay on the spool nicely. As with nice supple mono's or fluoros that like to lay down on the spool. Moimoi make a nice mono mainline that had some memory, but barely any of it and it stayed on the spool nicely just like a PE braid.