wharf raids [Archive] - Sydney Fish Finder Fishing Forum

salty fil

08-06-08, 03:01 PM

Fair enough, we should have a licence.
But to compare the penalty to not having a drivers license, or commiting genocide is over the top!
I remember the days of getting a warning for the first time on minor matters. After that you generally got your shi7 together and done what had to be done.
These days kids that THROW ROCKS at passing cars get the warning, and people that J-WALK across the street are thrown the book!!!
Even though im still a young fella, i remember enough to realise that our Aussie way of life is being eaten away from bloody political correctness, no empathy, and bloody greedy organisations that really dont give a shi7 about what theyre policing, just the $$$ thats involved!
Fishermen are generally humble, down to earth people doing something thats been around since Adam was a boy. We dont need that experience turned into some form of rocket science!
Correct me if im wrong, but are we the only state in OZ who have a fishing licence?
Like i said, i dont mind them, but if someone doesnt have one im sure we can RELAX alittle instead of "throwing them the book"!

kkw

08-06-08, 03:19 PM

An amusing set of opinions. I remember the outrage of fishos, describing how a certain ethnic group of wharf fishos kept everything they caught and how the fisheries or cops are never around to catch these pillagers. Then there is the next one, where the cops arrive and nab 10 of these unlicenced miscreants. Crab a fish 'made it out' alive. Whew!!!! He says that a boat full of cops took them away. BS!!! Did they take them away in the boat??? BS!!!
Mothers being booked for dropping their kids off in no stopping zones or in crossings - book em I say. I have personally seen a kid squashed by a car which drove around a lazy parent who was only dropping off a kid in the school crossing. She was too lazy to pull into the side of the road 50m away, where there were loads of parking spaces.

I would certainly be borrowing loads of money, if I knew I couldn't pay it back and only expected a 'she'll be right mate. Pay it back when you get a few dollars extra and life puts you on easy street.' Could be worse - you could be living in some eastern mecca, where if you got caught without a licence or broke the law in some other way, you would really 'get taken away'.

Go the cops, fisheries, parking police, msb - Do the job that WE pay you for. :beerchug: :nopity::yahoo:

Dog Catcher

08-06-08, 04:27 PM

I really dont give a Sh*te :rolling laughter:

Do I think we should be paying for a fishing licence ??

Pigs Ar*e to that as well

Why ?????

The government should've made heavy industry [those who polute the waterways] liable to pay out the LFB's.

And what about those pr*cks Ports Authority ??

Botany Bay will be a disaster for many years to come once they fill in & start building the extentions to the container termernal [which work has allready started on]

All you guys who are in favour of fishing licences need to get your heads examined & I'm serious.

Very soon here in NSW fishermen wont be that far away from Mashal law where it will be a crime to go out & catch a fishy

kingyfisher

08-06-08, 05:01 PM

Do you need a N.S.W fishing license to rec.fish outside the 3nm territorial limit ?

Dog Catcher

08-06-08, 07:22 PM

Do you need a N.S.W fishing license to rec.fish outside the 3nm territorial limit ?

I imagine you would

Even though the 3 NM limit comes under Federal Juristiction they allow the state government Rule over it.

And since the state government are the ones who enforced the licence fee's
They Want Your $$$$'s

Here's something for all you guys who thought it was a good idea to introduce fishing licence fee's to BUY OUT LFB licence's.

You guys should really start using your noggins instead of believing what BULLSH*T you've been told by the authorities.

Let me start by asking a Q

Why is it that mainly only the LFB licences from Botany Bay were bought out & nowhere else ??????????

Wouldn't have anything to do with the extending of the container terminal would it ????

Do you also think state govenment would've had to compensate the LFB boats which worked the Bay for loss of income or do you think they just wanted them out because of the predicted much heavier use of the deep water channels by all the container ships ??????

Who better to pay for all this than the idiot fishermen, but hey we can make money from the BULLSH*T we spin to these idiot fishermen why stop with Sydney fishermen LETS make all NSW's fisherman PAY

catchnrelease

08-06-08, 07:50 PM

salty fil

09-06-08, 02:29 AM

Fil "whatever they get" doesn't mean the same punishment as you would with murder. It means whatever they get, which is probably a fine, they deserve. There are exceptions to having a licence BTW, check fisheries to see if you need one. (For example <18yr olds don't need one).

Thats how it all starts mate. They serve a minor fine which everyone accepts.
Then they increase the fine. We all start questioning it but still say its a good thing.
Next we will be served a court appearance and fined heavily. But by then we are taken for suckers and they can do what they want. We will have "no fishing" periods from November till January- shi7 like that.
It may seem like an exaggeration but the proof is in other situations through society.
Look at double demerit points for long weekends. Has anyone noticed how on the last couple of long weekends they have bought it forward by a day?
It starts on the midnight 24 HRS BEFORE it should!!!
Its shi7 like that im talking about. They slowly filter it through so it doesnt seem like much, but when you look at the overall change over a 10 year period we get absolutely raped!
Im surprised they havnt raised the price on fishing licenses yet, it shouldnt be long now.....

jacobvz

09-06-08, 10:00 AM

Same thing happened to me mate.
Pissed me off aswell, i still dont know who and why!
Just repeat it, wouldnt mind hearing your opinion even if you didnt agree with me.

My opinion was disagreeing with you, but the gist of it was basically there are rules and I get pissed off with people breaking them and think it's acceptable.
I did not have a go on wether the rules should be there or not, because that's a hornets nest I do not like to be caught up in, as we all have different opinions.

Jack

Middo

09-06-08, 11:07 AM

Yep, 5pm yesterday the SAS type boat came in with 3 officers on board at Balmoral.Good sense of humour from the lads, one asked my son (9 years old) for his papers and - knowing that he doesn't need one - waved a pilchard in the cop's face.Good to see them out and about, deterring the riff-raff.

James

09-06-08, 12:13 PM

GREAT! If you don't have your licence you deserve to get pinged for it.

i dont have a license never will i cannot justify paying any organisation or government something with no real justification, i been booked once every other time they rock up to where im fishing i tell em to f#$^ off what can they do.
nothing has improved in my fishing area i therefore see no reason to buy one, they are not a license a license is something you earn its a ticket and no one has the right to charge on a ticket to fish....

if there was a true fishing license with education i then may get involved as all those who fish would understand our fishing regulations.

i fished yesterday at clifton gardens and released everything i caught i have no license yet other people who were fishing there were catching and keeping everything (all undersized) whether they had a license or not they had no idea of our fishing reglations.
they were all asian i am not racist but 90% of them who fish have no idea when it comes to our fishing rules

kkw

09-06-08, 01:58 PM

i been booked once every other time they rock up to where im fishing i tell em to f#$^ off what can they do.

I know what I would do :) The Police & Fisheries inspectors are empowered under a Govt Act, to get your name etc off you. If you told me to F off, then you would be taking a quick trip to a P.S. and getting charged. All the way, I would be hoping you would be resisting :violent1: but that's just me.

Mr Potato Head

09-06-08, 02:24 PM

you tell em KKW..

Its a law... I also Disagree with it, But i do what im suppost to..

I also dissagree with gun laws, Car laws, and even going to work!! but I have to do all them too.. dont i wish i could tell my boss to just **** off and not cop anything for it... Hang on, i might try...... BRB!

Dog Catcher

09-06-08, 03:35 PM

I know what I would do :) The Police & Fisheries inspectors are empowered under a Govt Act, to get your name etc off you. If you told me to F off, then you would be taking a quick trip to a P.S. and getting charged. All the way, I would be hoping you would be resisting :violent1: but that's just me.

R U Joking kk ???? :rolling laughter:
Get real 1/2 those twits have no clue on the laws they're supposed to be enforcing.

Most I've come across are OK but you'll allways get odd twit & if you try telling them that they are wrong & to go check the laws they get all pee'd off & want to start throwing their authority around.

I personally have no probs telling such officers where to stick it & these days alot of them are girlies or blokes who look like girlies

kkw

09-06-08, 04:29 PM

R U Joking kk ???? :rolling laughter:

Right!!! Next time we are fishing, I will sit on you and then tell me I'm joking :eeek: You will sign up for the Hoffa disappearance. :smoking33:

Dog Catcher

09-06-08, 05:05 PM

Think you're living in the past kk :rolling laughter:

These days they need 3-4 cops just to roll up to a schoolyard biffy to break up 13 yo's :rolling laughter:

To the rest of you who think it's great these officers are doing a good job you better wake up to yourselves.

Very few fishermen are capable of actually catching legal fish & those who do prob have the decency to keep what they need not what they want.

It's the bag limit & undersized fish hoodlums these officers should be targeting not fining those who dont have a lince.

Just for the record I do have a licence which expires in october

But I dont see why I should be made to pay for one esp considering virtually all I catch gets released again.

But I'll tell you's what try fishing with an oufit which has no hook on the end of it so there's no possible way you can catch a fishy.

But if an officer see's you with a rod in your hand he/she will demand to see your fishing licence.

Figure that wun out

storms72

09-06-08, 05:10 PM

Fishing ticket call was right on the money......Its like a carnival ride, 'come one come all buy your ticket and catch a fish"I had a valid lisence till recently and will get another-didn't realise it had expired till the waterways guy at the ramp last weekend pointed it out to me:beerchug: but what am I really paying for????

Pato

09-06-08, 05:44 PM

I think I would rather see the efforts of fisheries/police go toward targeting people who disregard bag and size limits and making a mess with rubbish around the waterways. If you don't have a license you should be made to cough up the dough and probably pay a small fine on top but it isn't the end of the world given how infrequently licenses are actually checked.

Mr Potato Head

09-06-08, 06:02 PM

Disagree there jumpy..

Given the low life twits that the cops etc have to put up with these days, how bout a bit of respect for them and people doing the right thing... They dont make the rules.. But its their job to enforce them so maybe they shouldnt take the wrap for a bad gov. decision to bring them in in the first place..

Dog Catcher

09-06-08, 06:08 PM

You can disagree all you like Spud.

But as far as I'm concerned if you cant cop the job you shouldn't be doing it.

These days they employ anyone just to fill in the numbers no wonder even kids take on the cops.

And dont say it's not their fault, they shouldn't be there

quintrex101

09-06-08, 06:14 PM

i dont like you lot using the word twit :rolling laughter: and i am sure that only dc and kkw know why :pottytrain1::rolling laughter:

BONECRUSHER

09-06-08, 06:19 PM

I agree and disagree with the licence thing.

On one hand i sometimes think that it should be like a car or boat licence where you must learn about possible damages that can happen by not obeying size limits and bag limits. To the eco systems.

An on the other exactly how much are recreational fishos responsible for taking from the water compared with long liners and trawlers?

Is there some where you can look at the budget of DPI fisheries?

I am looking at mid-life awakening (crisis) and changing careers , Fisheries management/aquaculture is a longterm possibilty. As i often think if i can do something from within?
I get very frustrated by the lack of care and people keeping anything they pull out of the water. ( not to be racist as my friends are very very multi cultural, but the asians and other ethnic people have a bad reputation for keeping anything.) I know this first hand as i have thrown back fish .5-1.0cm under size and gotten into massive arguements with then over it.

Unfortunaly its the law to have a licence for many things so i have one for Car,boat,Security licence for locksmithing, blue cards green cards site induction cards. So if its the law then i guess fishing is the same. Personally i think people should have a licence to have kids but thats another arguement another day.

thats my two cents

Dog Catcher

09-06-08, 06:47 PM

Does anyone know when they're gonna introduce the licence to have SEX !

If so what's the story morning glory is there going to be GST every time you have a nooky ???

kkw

09-06-08, 07:07 PM

Ha Ha. The Govt will not be making much money out of either of us DC, if they tax sex. :nopity: :hump:

Dog Catcher

09-06-08, 07:12 PM

Yeah but dont worry !

They'll be making a motza out off Spud it's double GST for him cause there's a Levy on plastic use.

They're saying it's no good for the enviroment :rolling laughter:

kkw

09-06-08, 07:20 PM

not to be racist as my friends are very very multi cultural, but the asians and other ethnic people have a bad reputation for keeping anything,

I was doing a bit of jetty fishing at Pt Maq during the week, and was joined by a bunch of Vietnamese folk. They were nice people. The guys had been out pumping nippers during the day, and had at least 300 in a tub. They were all dead. (limit is 100 total) They told me to take as many as I wanted. They caught some thumper bream during the next couple of hours. A lady (also Vietnamese, but not with the group) was also there every evening. She was catching yakkas and anything else she could. The fish would hit the boards and the meat cleaver came out to take off the head and tail and gut. Into the cooler. Pike - same deal. Anyway, one of the boys landed a sting ray and she asked to keep it. She was squealing and jumping around, trying to scoop it into the cooler. She got it in, and it filled the space. I walked over and spoke to her. She said 'eat, eat. I said o.k. but be careful of the barb. She said what is barb? I showed her, and said that it was dangerous and to be very careful. Out came the cleaver, and as I walked back, I heard her squeal. Blood was pouring out of her hand. The ray got her good. The boys drove her to hospital, but she took her cooler with her.

A lot of fishos do not know about licences, bag or quotos, species or anything else. When they get pinged by the law, they soon learn. If they disregard the law, then they will get pinged again - and again - and again.

BONECRUSHER

09-06-08, 09:05 PM

[quote
I was doing a bit of jetty fishing at Pt Maq during the week, and was joined by a bunch of Vietnamese folk. They were nice people. The guys had been out pumping nippers during the day, and had at least 300 in a tub. They were all dead. (limit is 100 total) They told me to take as many as I wanted. They caught some thumper bream during the next couple of hours. A lady (also Vietnamese, but not with the group) was also there every evening. She was catching yakkas and anything else she could. The fish would hit the boards and the meat cleaver came out to take off the head and tail and gut. Into the cooler. Pike - same deal. Anyway, one of the boys landed a sting ray and she asked to keep it. She was squealing and jumping around, trying to scoop it into the cooler. She got it in, and it filled the space. I walked over and spoke to her. She said 'eat, eat. I said o.k. but be careful of the barb. She said what is barb? I showed her, and said that it was dangerous and to be very careful. Out came the cleaver, and as I walked back, I heard her squeal. Blood was pouring out of her hand. The ray got her good. The boys drove her to hospital, but she took her cooler with her.

A lot of fishos do not know about licences, bag or quotos, species or anything else. When they get pinged by the law, they soon learn. If they disregard the law, then they will get pinged again - and again - and again.

But are they getting pinged and pinged again? I know fisheries are quite easy going when you dont have a licence they pretty much say go get one fax it to us and we will disregard the penalty. Which to me is ok, not having a licence is no way nearly as bad as keeping undersize fish or exceeding bag limits. It seams that fisheries opperate mostly 9-5pm. When from what i have seen most of the illegal actions occur at night on wharfs around sydney and i guess everywhere. I guess maybe they should adopt a dob in a fisher metality but it will never stick unless they are there to stop em in person. here is the number for illegal action

We need your help. Report illegal or suspect fishing activities to your nearest Fisheries Office (http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/aboutus/about/office) or use the Fishers Watch Phoneline on 1800 043 536.

Record the following information before reporting:

Type of activity
Time, date and location of activity
Number of people and any descriptions
Registration numbers of cars and boats
All information will be treated as confidential and remain absolutely confidential.
For general fishing information, call the Fisheries Information Line on 1300 550 474.

jacobvz

09-06-08, 09:20 PM

Which to me is ok not having a licence is far worse than keeping undersize fish or exceeding bag limits.

Sure this is what you mean???

Don't you mean exceding the bag limit and keeping undersize is far worse than not having a license?

Jack

BONECRUSHER

09-06-08, 11:04 PM

Sorry jack, going blind. didnt read what i typed, so i just edited it. Keeping under size fish and exceeding bag limits is far worse than a minor licence discrepency. .

Dog Catcher

09-06-08, 11:15 PM

Sorry jack, going blind. .

Well this will happen if persist in getting to much practice in B4 the GST comes officially into force :rolling laughter::rolling laughter:

hookenin

10-06-08, 02:11 AM

well after reading all that, sucked in to the asian lady with the sting ray, a little education would have prevented that. I agree they are (most of them but not all, from what i've seen) always keeping anything that they catch. A bloke i used to work with told me a story once. He went fishing off the rocks one day, on his way down to the water edge he saw a group of asians catching tiny fish (can't remember what species) one after the other with a battery operated mincer down on rocks, every fish they caught went straight into the mincer. So being a good samariton he went up to them and with one swift kick, he booted the mincer into the water. What a bloody champion i reckon. The Fishing licences are bullshi7, and i dont have 1 at the momment either, it expired last month. I don't need a licence to abide by bag and size limits. I can honestly say i have never kept an undersize fish, or more than my bag limit. I grew up about 100m from lake illawarra and fished (and prawned in summer) there basicly every weekend as a kid and now i'm supposed to pay for the privilage, fcuk that. Can anyone tell me what the fine is for not having a licence. I agree with pretty much everything DC said. Quinnie101, just qurious, whats with you're objection to the word twit? Tell me to bugger off if you want.

salty fil

10-06-08, 09:53 AM

Was out fishing yesterday so i missed the snowball effect this post has created.
Its good to see that a few people agree that licences are a joke!
Someone pointed out they should be called 'tickets'. How right that is.
To get any type of licence you must study the point of relevance.
To get a 'fishing licence' any dimwit can roll up to a servo and as long as he pays he has it.
Maybe if they made it like a real licence more people will be educated enough to understand bag limits...
In all my years fishing i have NEVER been approached by one of these fisheries clowns, never even seen one. Il admit that i hate authority if its pushed upon me WITH authority. I look forward to the day i do get asked cause i would drag the situation on until the guy got sick of me!

BONECRUSHER

10-06-08, 10:05 AM

salty fil

10-06-08, 10:06 AM

Reading FISHING MONTHLY mag this morning, Colin Buckley is a renowned fisherman a nd journalist who most of us wouldve heard about. He said some brilliant things in his article this month regarding what we pay and what we get. Il quote it word for word.

A couple of gripes
....Secondly, we are starved of boat launching facilities on the Northern side of the bridge. We religiously pay our fishing licence, boat regos, and boat licence fees, but where is all the money going? Its certainly not going towards enlarging and improving boat services on my patch.
There is only one public ramp to service the whole of Pittwater! Its a joke!
Come on Mr Iemma, give us fishos something back, We give you enough in GST on tackle and fuel tax!

salty fil

10-06-08, 10:25 AM

here is a heads up,

Fisheries Officers,
They also have powers to enforce the rules and regulations made under the Fisheries Act 1982, including the power to:

stop, enter and search any boat or vehicle they suspect is involved in illegal fishing activity

seize fish, fishing gear or other equipment that has been used in an alleged offence, including boats or vehicles.

Fisheries Officers may not always be in uniform but they will always carry and show you an identification badge.

You are required by law to follow any direction given by a Fisheries Officer, including providing your correct name and address.

When dealing with illegal fisheries activities, Fisheries Officers have the power to:

issue a written caution; or

issue an infringement notice (on the spot fine).

Good research BC. I will have no problem with any of that cause i follow the rules from before they even became rules.
One thing it doesnt say is that i cant give them shi7!

Picture this..... You anchor up in one of your favourite little spots in the bay/estuary, You planned the tides and time of fishing perfectly from the day before.
Its the only time this month you can get out there.
You anchor up in absolute silence as to not spook the fish.
After an hour your burley trail is starting to work and you get the first of what you have came for.
The hits are getting better and better, what a day!
The engine roar gets louder and louder, closer and closer. You look to see who this fool is who is intruding into your perfect bubble!
With engines still running he bumps up beside your boat and asks "licence please".
NOW YOU GUYS TELL ME WHY I SHOULDNT GAFF HIM IN THE SIDE OF THE NECK!!!

borisboga

10-06-08, 11:17 AM

how i see this license isue is,
its more like paying tax for fishing, than having a licence for fishing.
as for all taxes you pay, you expect some return on these... but like all taxes you pay, you get nothing in return...

Fed

10-06-08, 11:30 AM

Years ago the Govt had a radio/television licence, everyone ignored it so the Govt dropped it into the too hard basket.
Years ago I was issued with an electricians licence, it was a 'lifetime' licence with no renewal required then 20 years later the Govt tried to charge annual fees and I ignored them as I suspect most electricians did so the Govt dropped it into the too hard basket.
Years ago the US tried to bring in compulsory seat belts, the Yanks ignored it so the US Govt put it into the too hard basket.
Sometimes you can win by doing nothing.

When fishing in NSW waters, both freshwater and saltwater, you are required by law to pay the NSW Recreational Fishing Fee and carry a receipt showing the payment of the fee. This applies when spear fishing, hand lining, hand gathering, trapping, bait collecting and prawn netting or when in possession of fishing gear in, on or adjacent to waters.

Don't stand near the water without a licence, what a joke.

imnotafish

10-06-08, 11:41 AM

To get any type of licence you must study the point of relevance.
To get a 'fishing licence' any dimwit can roll up to a servo and as long as he pays he has it.
Maybe if they made it like a real licence more people will be educated enough to understand bag limits...

That is a great point Salty......

btw fisheries do list what they are spending the money on (an amazing amount is on administration of the licences.. suprise suprise) on their site...
http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/fisheries/recreational/your-fees

here is an example: off the fisheries site.......

Estuarine Artificial Reefs

http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/__data/assets/image/0004/50089/ar-rb-galgabba-point-1.jpg
Saltwater Trust Allocation

2006/07 - $105,000 (Management – approvals, construction and deployment)
2006/07 - $146,000 (Research – monitoring)
The NSW Department of Primary Industries is undertaking a pilot Artificial Reefs project to investigate the benefits of artificial reefs as a fisheries enhancement tool in Recreational Fishing Havens (RFH) along the NSW coast. A series of small artificial reefs are being deployed in identified barren areas in three RFHs. The Department has worked closely with recreational fishers and estuarine user groups to establish suitable sites that will minimise social and environmental impacts. Before the reefs are deployed, a number of approvals are required from various Management Authorities. The reefs will be monitored before and after deployment using a combination of research methods including baited underwater videos, diver surveys and angler catch information.
Objectives of the project

Identify suitable sites for the construction of artificial reefs in 3 estuaries that have been declared Recreational Fishing Havens namely Lake Macquarie, Botany Bay and St. Georges Basin.
Construct variable artificial reef configurations to establish best-suited designs for NSW estuaries to optimise effectiveness and minimise cost.
Scientific research into artificial reef related topics.
Inform the recreational fishing community about the effectiveness and contribution of artificial reefs in improving recreational fishing in each estuary.
Establish guidelines for the consideration of any future artificial reef proposals in NSW estuarine and coastal waters.

Further information on artificial reefs project. (http://www.dpi.nsw.gov.au/fisheries/recreational/saltwater-fishing/artificial-reefs)

Offshore Artificial Reefs (OARs)

Saltwater Trust Allocation

2007-08: $275,000
Aim

To build offshore artificial reefs to increase fish habitat and opportunities for high quality recreational fishing
Background

Following the successful deployment of a number of small artificial reefs in Lake Macquarie, Botany Bay and St Georges Basin, funded by the recreational fishing licence fees, the NSW Department of Primary Industries (DPI) is investigating building offshore artificial reefs to increase fish habitat and opportunities for high quality recreational fishing. Many modern artificial reefs are built from steel and are known as design specific, being tailored to particular locations and target fish species. The structures are designed to deflect prevailing currents, creating up-wellings, complex water eddies and vortexes; perfect habitat for many demersal and pelagic fish species. An Environmental Assessment of the proposal is currently underway. Pending the results of this assessment DPI proposes to build three offshore artificial reefs, initially off Newcastle, Sydney and Wollongong. A scientific monitoring program will assess the suitability of reef design and their potential environmental impact.

Dog Catcher

10-06-08, 12:28 PM

Steff I went to a talk/lecture given by one of the guys from DPI last month in regards to these pottery type Fads & the proposed new artificial reefs destined to be dropped a couple of miles offshore.

Put it this way think all know what I'm like by now if I've got something to say I dont give a sh*te who you are I'll say it.

And let me tell you I was very well behaved compared to a few of the other guys @ Q time.

DPI are full of it & are using our licence fee's to justify their department & their jobs that's all there is to it.

Those pottery fads have been in the bay for @ least 12 months & only one set have worked

Why ?????????

Cause rocket scientist from DPI thought it a good idea to go drop the other sets right next to natural reef structure & the fishy's much prefered their natural reefs & didn't visit the artificial ones.

They're about to reclaim all the good deep water in Botany Bay for the extention of the container terminal so they've brainwashing fishermen into thinking that what our licence fee's are doing is helping us out.

What a load of BullSh*te

2,000 of these pots are 2b dropped in the bay & for the life of me I dont know why cause once they take away all the deep water the rest of the bay is average of only 5 meters deep.

Those structural reefs proposed @B dropped a couple of miles offshore ??????

Think one off long reef, Maroubra & maybe wollongong somewhere are a trade off cause the pr*cks are going to apply the No Fish Zones to those area's.

Fishermen are paying for all this stuff via our licences so as the government dosen't have to compensate & some of you guys are taking the bait believing our fee's are doing good.

Let me ask you this ???

How are the guys who pay licence fee's up nth & way down sth benefiting ????

Cause nothing is being done for their fishing grounds

imnotafish

10-06-08, 01:09 PM

Mr Potato Head

10-06-08, 01:17 PM

salty fil

10-06-08, 01:31 PM

winge winge winge...

its $30 a year, pay it or cop the penalty....

I do agree that they proba arnt putting the money in the right place, but what does... And who should decide... Maybe youi should all run for positions in the DPI and then you can have your say...

Otherwise sit back winge and dont pay the fee... hope ya all get fined by a big coppa who wont take your ****!

Its funny when one does not agree he calls it a 'winge'.
But when you do agree its called 'sticking up for yourself' or 'putting your point across'!
Its funny how language can be changed to suit.
I dont think we have coppers out patrolling fishing licenses do we? I think id fall in the water from laughter if that were to be!
The fellas that do do it most likely are pencil pushers who are told to get out and get some fresh air. The only knot they can tie would be their shoelace! The type that take shi7 their whole lives!

imnotafish

10-06-08, 01:34 PM

:nopity: shoulda played one of them for me MPH :rolling laughter:

nah seriously i do have and have always had a licence, but maybe youre right about the DPI job:wtf:they definately dont spend our cash that well.

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and get ready to get wet Salty :wiink:, im very sure the cops are out enforcing fishing licences all the time, ive seen them much more than fisheries asking people....... ive also seen them tell people their yellowtail are undersized, that the legal limit is 65cms. :rolling laughter: Took some explaining!!. i guess we cant all be fishermen

Mr Potato Head

10-06-08, 01:54 PM

stylo

10-06-08, 01:54 PM

I did not know coppers can enforce licensing and legal bag limits and sizes ?!?!

This is new to me.

salty fil

10-06-08, 02:58 PM

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and get ready to get wet Salty :wiink:, im very sure the cops are out enforcing fishing licences all the time, ive seen them much more than fisheries asking people....... ive also seen them tell people their yellowtail are undersized, that the legal limit is 65cms. :rolling laughter: Took some explaining!!. i guess we cant all be fishermen[/quote]

Classic! There must really be some cash in it for the cops to be patrolling it!
Between handing out speeding and parking fines, and fines for no fishing license, its no wonder our head of the drugs unit/agency is doing drug deals for extra cash!
So all of a sudden not having a fishing license is a crime, is that why we have the boys in blue enforcing it!
Its like i said earlier. Slowly, slowly the punishment will become harsher right under our noses, and before we know it we will be doing community service out on parole for not having a fishing license!

Mr Potato Head

10-06-08, 04:08 PM

we will be doing community service out on parole for not having a fishing license!

If your a repeat offender why not!

If someone is out there doing the wrong thing and others who may disagree with the rule but are doing the right thing, thenm i recon you should be penalised for doing the wrong thing..

salty fil

10-06-08, 05:18 PM

Do you disagree with the gun license? Do you keep illegal guns?

Whats the differance, where do you think our gun license fee's go....

All the people out there who do the right thing with guns have to oput up with laws that are made against the people who do the wrong thing and dont have licenses anyway!!!

Unfortunatly thats just how it goes boys and girls.....

Just not buying a license isnt going to be enough.. It will take a MP or somone with some power to get in their with a voice..

Sitting on here "wingeing" about it aint going to help and buy not paying the fees, and stirring things up suer going to help your own case when you get caught...

Just remember, the blokes who get the job of coming and checking you dont make the rules either.. They are doing thier job, wether they like it or not.. Why make it hard for them.. Complain to the people who make the rules..

I understand what your truing to say Rummy, but there are some differences between them.

* Guns kill and hurt people, fishing rods break when hit over someones head.

* To get a gun license it is very difficult, they are very stringent about who they hand them out to, you must study and even then you are not guaranteed one. Getting a fishing licence requires you to go to the servo and pick one up with a bottle of milk.

* Having a gun licence means you can have your home inspected to make sure your guns are stored safely. I can walk into my local bank with my fishing rod.

* There is no such thing as an illegal fishing rod.

* You cant buy a gun from the local BIG W. (unless in America).

I do have a license, it is only peanuts at the end of the day. But i will always voice myself if i dont agree - even if it means nothing will be done about it.
The way society is going, sometime in my life i will be thrown into prison for doing so. Thats where we're heading!

Dog Catcher

10-06-08, 05:19 PM

Yeah the reef thing was an example, there are much worse ones, have a look at the fishing platforms if you want to see a true waste of cash. but if you want to get into it im pretty frustrated by the whole process that fisheries are going through to build the reefs.
The stupid thing is i dont know too many fisherman who have been asked about where to place the reefs or what they should be made of. They hold the meetings like you went to simply to TELL us what they have decided to do. I know only of one charter operator who has made a bargain with fisheries in order to get some of these put in his area. (yet to happen)
It's been found with Kings for eg, that they hold for longer on reefs with metal in them, much longer....... whether the metal just provides better algal growth and therefore food or it rusts and they like the extra iron or something i dont know, but fisheries are just putting out clay pots... Look closely at the pic and you will see bugger all weed growth on it.
And correct me if im wrong here but they are in VERY shallow water there in Botany bay.... i work next door to a dive shop and the guys there laugh about how stupid it is all the time when they dive them and theyre empty. i didnt know that the terminal was relaiming the deeper water in the bay, so thats obviously why there were no reefs put in the deeper stuff where they might have had a chance of working
But i still think that without our money fisheries would have no reason to care about recs at all, the pros have always paid licences and they got the voice, the fish, and the facilities. At least now we have some voice even if they arent listening, but weve gotta get them to spend our money properly

There's 2 types thatDPI allready have in place

*Those in your pic posted are just a large pot made of CLAY
* 2nd is the FADS now I have been told each one of those FADS cost $250,000 to deploy sounds a bit far fetched but if there's any truth to this then I'm afraid our licence fee's are being mis-managed with alot of back hand payments going to the DPI guys, this info was given to me by someone who alledges he's seen figures on paper I haven't seen those papers.

* The 3rd type of proposed artificial reef ?

Well they're quite big & DPI will have to pay royalties to the Koreans cause it is their design the Japs also use them.

A big steel structure sunk to the ocean floor stategically positioned so as further of these structures can be added which in turn increases the reefs area.

Now these structures cater for different species of fishy's ranging from our snapper down low & up high they have flutes which create water flow these in turn attract those annoying Kung Foo'ys [waste of $$ that is] :rolling laughter:

est cost per tower $160,000 but we all know gov dept have no idea on how to cost things dont we ???????

The way the DPI guy presented himself, well he really had no answers to the Q's some angry fisho's threw @ him in regards to area closures stating that the DPI is now a independant org trying to look after the interest of fisho's

Whatever makes them happy I suppose :rolling laughter:

And correct me if im wrong here but they are in VERY shallow water there in Botany bay....

Yarra Bay = around 5-6 meters [ only ones that worked]
Bare isle = around 8-9 meters [flop]
Moluiex pt = prob the deepest around 13 meters I've never sounded that area [another flop]

Dog Catcher

10-06-08, 05:27 PM

winge winge winge...

its $30 a year, pay it or cop the penalty....

I do agree that they proba arnt putting the money in the right place, but what does... And who should decide... Maybe youi should all run for positions in the DPI and then you can have your say...

Otherwise sit back winge and dont pay the fee... hope ya all get fined by a big coppa who wont take your ****!

Wake up to yourself SPUD

It's because of people like yourself who are willing to accept everything that is thrown @ them that we have all this cr*p like licence fee's.

Thank goodness not all of us go about with the mentality you've shown here.

How about taking a step back thinking about what you're gonna say next & see if it makes sense.

As far as your other statement about gun laws ??

Well what a load of cr*p that is as well I've owned firearms for 30 years now & the all the new laws meant was a bit of inconvinience for me.

They did nothing to get guns out of the hands of criminals & the whole thing was a big blowup because of what happened in Tassie & Wittle Johny Howard pushed those laws 4ward to keep Mrs Wittle Johnny Howard happy

salty fil

10-06-08, 05:29 PM

I dont mind being asked to show my license as long as -

* I am not fishing alone. I love the peace and quiet when alone.
* I am not fishing with a mate. We could be having a deep conversation about the footy.
* I am not eating while fishing. DONT disturb me while eating.
* I am reading the paper while fishing. Being disturbed while reading the paper pisses me off.
* I am fishing but not catching fish. I will be agitated and under pressure.
* I am fishing and i am catching fish. I will gaf him if he turns them off the bite!
* I am asked from a minimum distance of 42 metres.
* Any day ending in Y.

Apart from these situations i will happily show the respectable fisheries chap my license.

Mr Potato Head

10-06-08, 06:06 PM

My point about gun licenses had nothing to do with new laws...

It was in regards to that you have to have a license to get them.. Just like you have to have a license top go fishing now.. I used this as a comparo because both of them have LAWS and Rules that most who use them disagree with... I think the guns laws are stupid, along with the Fishing Rules.. But i do the right thing and Abide by the rules!!

AT NO Time have i said i ever agreed with any of the rules... I dont agree with them, BUT Im doing the right thing and buying my licenses and paying my fees..

What i am against and have been frmo the start of this thread is people who are going about their complaint the wrong way, By Not paying fee's then whinging when they get busted and Stiring up crap with the people who are approaching them. People who didnt make the rules but are doing thier job..

If you want to make a scene about it, make it in front of the people who make the ules and then can change them... Not the poor bloke who probably cops crrap all day just trying to earn his dollar weather its an inspector or the cops.

Salty, guns dont kill people... If you think they do its because they are in the wrong hands, Just like a car in the wrong hands can kill too.. The licenses are surprisingly easy to get...

kingyfisher

10-06-08, 06:16 PM

I'm on my FINAL warning from Fisheries ! Why ? Well I had a 3yr license,and I had paid by credit card to DPI via the phone.10weeks had gone by and NO paper license had arrived & my hastily written reciept number had been lost in that time.
It seems NOT having the reciept number is a cardinal SIN.It is not sufficient to prove who you are AND that you do have a current license(something easily checked by Fisheries Officers!)
FAILING to provide a slip of paper license for 10 weeks however (by the DPI) is quote "Not unusual"
Hence my "Final Warning" :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
In my humble opinion the policies and proceedures of the Department of Primary Industries are ABSOLUTE TOTAL CRAP !

BONECRUSHER

10-06-08, 09:17 PM

all and all how many times have you guys been stopped for a licence check. Me twice 1 time at the spit on a boat and the other up at nelson bay at the ramp. Unfortunatly like its been pointed out some inconvenience have to be put up with. its like getting pulled over at a Random Breath Test stop. Its a pain in the arse (sometimes fun if your boarderline sober) but its good to see them in action. Sure they will never abloish Drink Drivers as long as there is booze sold. But it helps spead the message that its wrong. (i know we have all dont it at one time, but the difference between a funny story and Jail is so slight)

I think people who break the fishing laws must do a Compulsory fishing Education course. (but probably wont help) As they probably can cater to every language.

But from what i have read the main anger is how they spread the funds.
I guess that issue could be raised with every gov section. I would like to see an exact budget as to where fishing money goes. Is there a publication available?

Some points,

26 Mar 2008
Recreational fishing on NSW South Coast is set to get even better, with the region set to receive two artificial reefs: one in Lake Conjola and the other in Merimbula Lake.

05 Mar 2008
A fishing workshop for children and families of Chinese background will be held next Sunday at Georges River National Park.
The NSW Recreational Fishing Trust funded workshop is being held to help educate members of the local Chinese community about responsible and enjoyable fishing.
"This is the latest in a series of workshops that have helped 300 children and their families from ethnic backgrounds to learn more about fishing in NSW," workshop coordinator, George Mannah, said.
"The most recent were two workshops held last December for Tongan, Pacific Islander, Cooks Island, Arabic and Vietnamese background.

07 Mar 2008
Fisheries Officers from NSW Department of Primary Industries’ (DPI) Statewide Fisheries Operations and Investigations Unit last night apprehended five men twenty kilometres south of Bermagui in the Mimosa Rocks National Park.

Dog Catcher

10-06-08, 09:43 PM

Some points,

26 Mar 2008
Recreational fishing on NSW South Coast is set to get even better, with the region set to receive two artificial reefs: one in Lake Conjola and the other in Merimbula Lake.

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/8137/bullvj1.jpg

Still dont think you guys get it do you's ??

By enforcing these laws they're creating THE CRIMINALS

Here we have countries like Russia etc aboloshing communisum & here in Oz they're trying to bring it in.

Fishing is a past time which should be enjoyed by all free of charge, we pay enough tax's on our tackle, fuel bills etc to more than make up for licence fee's.

As far as what I quoted in this reply goes ??

Well if the pr****s didn't take away our natural spots then there would be no need to build artificial reefs.

It's all about commercial enterprise & the green factor is nothing but a smoke screen.

Off sydney they planing on closing alot more than they're letting on with the amount of submarine cables, pipes etc these are what I think the real reasons.

The artificials are only a smoke screen to keep lobby groups such as fishing movement off their backs.

Now let me ask a serious Q ???????????

How many biffo's, Blue's etc do you guys think will occur around these artificial reefs ?????

Better still how many fools do you think will venture out to these reefs in unseaworthy boats cause they're supposed to hold good fish no's ?????????

Jewman70

10-06-08, 11:05 PM

jsut because they deploy reefs doesnt mean every fish in the ocean is going to live in it? LOL? japs always have the brains, thats why we are 10 years late....also i've heard a such story as well DC, all the illegal fishing boats off jap and south korea, if they get caught they are sunk inturn to make an artificial reef, now, if there were balls of cement or a sunken ship? where would you hide? in 10 meters of water or 100 metres of water, they might work to catch mados..thats about it

im with DC on this, i like your attitude towards it, keep it up.

one time at kiama harbour when i was a kid we were fishing for bream and there was a duma sitting next to me (no offence) with a bucket full of bream, now he had all the gear, but he couldnt understand what im saying? bull****.. knows exactly what im talking about, so i just kicked the bucket into the water...he packed up and left..,same goes with that show Border Security..why is it everytime some1 is trying to scam getting into the country? they look a bit like a bug...?

hookenin

11-06-08, 01:15 AM

its like getting pulled over at a Random Breath Test stop. Its a pain in the arse (sometimes fun if your boarderline sober) but its good to see them in action. Sure they will never abloish Drink Drivers as long as there is booze sold. But it helps spead the message that its wrong. (i know we have all dont it at one time, but the difference between a funny story and Jail is so slight)

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mate, no offence, but thats not really a comparison, it's nothing like an RBT. RBT's are there to protect the lives of you, me, our families and all the other innocent families on the road. Drink driving kills people, what harm does fishing do??? I don't have a problem pulling over, counting to 5 into a machine and then being sent on my way if it helps the cops take drink drivers off the road and save the lives of innocent people. I don't consider that a pain in the arse. I do consider, however, some prick hassling me to show him i paid a fee to be allowed to participate in perhaps one of the oldest pass times known to man a pain in the arse. The only problem with fishing without a licence is them dickheads miss out on some revenue. Bit of a difference i reckon. Fishing without a licence is NOT WRONG, it's our bloody right.

Dog Catcher

11-06-08, 12:03 PM

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Drink driving kills people, what harm does fishing do??? I don't have a problem pulling over, counting to 5 into a machine and then being sent on my way if it helps the cops take drink drivers off the road and save the lives of innocent people..

Well I dont drink !

But I have been known to have some fun with the RBT's

If I'm in a sh*t stiring mood I have been known to drive around the block a few times & go back for 2nd's & 3rd's :rolling laughter::rolling laughter:

salty fil

11-06-08, 12:26 PM

I used to like slurring my words and then looking pretty proud of myself when they said i was free to go.
If the coppers a normal bloke he would see the humour in it.

hookenin

11-06-08, 12:57 PM

''no drinkstable,I swear, I haven't had a c**t all day''

BONECRUSHER

11-06-08, 06:57 PM

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mate, no offence, but thats not really a comparison, it's nothing like an RBT. RBT's are there to protect the lives of you, me, our families and all the other innocent families on the road. Drink driving kills people, what harm does fishing do??? I don't have a problem pulling over, counting to 5 into a machine and then being sent on my way if it helps the cops take drink drivers off the road and save the lives of innocent people. I don't consider that a pain in the arse. I do consider, however, some prick hassling me to show him i paid a fee to be allowed to participate in perhaps one of the oldest pass times known to man a pain in the arse. The only problem with fishing without a licence is them dickheads miss out on some revenue. Bit of a difference i reckon. Fishing without a licence is NOT WRONG, it's our bloody right.

Well the comparison is
1) you gettng pulled over.
2) It just by an authority who job it is to do so.
3) If you have a licence you ok and on you way. Like if you sober your on your way. RBT only a filter they dont stop it occuring.
4) Its no more a hassle getting pulled over by fisheries than getting pulled over for a RBT. If you have a licence it is no worries. Salty i know what you mean by if your burleying up but has it happened.(personally i dont mind paying the few dollars if it means im not going to get hassled)
5) they will get alot more revenue if they give you a fine.

What have you done to prevent the licences being introduces. Or are you happy to sit back on your porch and complain and winge and think your righteous by not having one.

I have stated already that failure to have a licence is not as bad keeping undersize fish. But often they go hand in hand. Im not saying by you or anyone on this site but by people with lack of knowledge or general disregard for laws. So if they dont care about licences then they will not care about keeping undersize fish or exceeding bag limits.

I do think penalties should be different ie workshops and community service. and if its going to be a licence then some general knowledge is required, but they probably will find less people will want to get one if that much effort is required.

My conclusion is if its going to stop me from a whole bunch of hassels then i have one. Its only a few bucks.

Dog Catcher

11-06-08, 07:44 PM

COOPS !

I think you'll find the backlash to yours & others comments is because you's have supported the peeps enforcing the laws & like I've said if they cant cop the abuse for laws that shouldn't be there then they should be looking for another job cause it's only a matter of time B4 someone blows their lid & takes them on physically.

Think that's allready happened else they wouldn't be travelling in groups of 3 & 4, gets back to what I said about the government creating the criminals.

I also spoke to a good mate some time back in regards to fishing licences the guy is a QC & I put my thoughts to him about licence fees.

Well he agreed with me & said there was a case for the government to answer to in a court of law.

Our fee's came about to buy out LFB's we've done that 10 times over so why are we still paying them ????????????????

mr antenna

12-06-08, 12:36 AM

Well i used to have a fishing licence up until 2 yrs ago ,When it ran out.Have not bothered about getting another mainly,cause all the fishing i/we do is offshore.

hookenin

12-06-08, 01:39 AM

BONECRUSHER

12-06-08, 01:58 AM

But nothing will ever happen unless someone with heaps of time on their hands to take legal action against the government and money to back them through a costly case. I have no doubt if you put partitions in all the tackle shops within 3 month have thousands of signatures. I would even sign it, no questions about it. But probably would not hold my breath as it would be a massive task and probably need free legal team helping.

I think the NSW DPI Fisheries officers would be better off looking after other areas of fisheries management and natural resource management.
Only checking people obey size and bag laws and enviromental laws.
DPI Officers dont make the laws its just there job to up hold them. Most are not just dumb dumb renta-cops, they have science background in fisheries management. I dont think abuse is the answer.

I can understand the anger as most recreations are not forced to have a licence (besides guns) as nobody is really in harms way of fishing except the fish. But really what can we do about it. I dont need to get a fine so i rather pay the licence fee. Dont mean to stir the pot to much.

BONECRUSHER

12-06-08, 02:15 AM

DC, not sure if i understood you correctly there mate, although i sure hope so. Do you mean to say your QC mate said we could have a case to fight against these pricks trying to make us pay for the privalge to go fishing???bonecrusher, fair dinkum, you're not comparing apples with apples mate, as my old man would say. Drink driving kills peeps, what harm does fishing do??? Like DC has basicly said, if we cop this **** like school kids and say yes sir, no sir, (like you seem to be) how does that help us. They will increase the penalty slightly every year or so. DC couldn't have been more correct. With a name like "bone crusher" i would have expected a little more fire in the belly, but, like they say, you can't judge a book by its cover.You can say I'm trying to be rightous and all that crap, but I will ask you the same question, as you said you also disagree with the licences, What have you done to prevent them???

Hookenin, sorry mate probably a rough slog at you. My reference to RBT and fisheries licence checks was not really about the laws they are protecting rather the process you go through with the authoritys.

Mate I have done nothing as really didnt no that much about fishing when the were introduced. But i am currently in the process to get all my prerequisites completed for university, to do a 3 year full time bachelor of science (aquaculture/ fisheries management) at JCU Townsville. Who knows where that can lead. My main interest are conservation and fisheries management. ( im not definatly NOT a greenie but a fisho who wants more for us than turning the whole of australia into one big marine park.

hookenin

12-06-08, 02:31 AM

Bone crusher, mate i don't want to stir the pot too much either, and i dont want this to turn into a **** fight between you and I.Obviously we both disagree with the licence idea as it at the momment.I would much rather see the fisheries officers targeting the people who break bag and size limit laws, and I think we both agree on that. Honestly mate, I've never been checked by a fisheries officer for either bag and size limits or a fishing licence, so they're not too dilligant in either aspect of their job. I've even rang the fisheries once, not so long ago, to report a family of arib looking people with a bag full of little whiting. Mate, they cleaned all their fish and pissed off home and I also left before anyone turned up. I reckon they just sit around drinking coffee and eating donuts and go book a few blokes a month too look like they are worth while. What are they paid for??? good luck with the uni and hopefully you get a position of authority at the end of it all, that can help us all. Looks like we are on the same wave length here after all

Dog Catcher

12-06-08, 12:10 PM

Well i used to have a fishing licence up until 2 yrs ago ,When it ran out.Have not bothered about getting another mainly,cause all the fishing i/we do is offshore.

Dosen't matter Mr Antlers where you fush theydo have the discretion to pull you over & if fishing tackle is on board they do have the right to fine you that's how stupid the law is.

DC, not sure if i understood you correctly there mate, although i sure hope so. Do you mean to say your QC mate said we could have a case to fight against these pricks trying to make us pay for the privalge to go fishing???

Yep cause the fee's were introduced to buy out the LFB's & they've done that.

To boot DPI have no intentions of buying out any more think $10 mil was mentioned ifthey had to buy out any more around the sydney area.

So instead they're putting up a smoke screen stooging anglers that they're now going to spend the money generating new reefs to attract more fish for them to catch.

What a load of horse sh*t that is cause only a selectfewhave boats to be able to access these area's, the majority of anglers are land based & have no possible means.

Like I said earlierI really do think it's never been about buying out LFB's but a bid to claim area's for commercial developement & to get boats away from area's they want to shut down.

I'm waiting on a email & will post what they're going to do to Botany Bay when they finish F*********** it up map shows the new speed limits & I'll pencil in the dead water they'll be creating.

No different to the dead water [by that I mean tide flow] in between the 2 runways you wont get fish in that area due to lack of oxygen or something like that.

Anyways this new developement is what I think our licence fee's were all about.

My main interest are conservation and fisheries management

Coops you'll never get that there's an old addage that goes 10 % of the fisherman catch 90 % of the fish & the other 90 % catch the remaining 10 %.

prob is the majority of the 10 % take what they need not what they want cause they can virtually get another feed anytime.

It's the 90 % who do all the damage cause they'll kill virtually everything they catch

James

13-06-08, 04:55 PM

Pukunui

15-06-08, 02:31 AM

While im not entirely happy with where our money is being spent by the fisheries, i still support the idea of paying a small fee IF IT IS GOING TO ACTUALLY BE SPENT ON IMPROVING OUR FISHERY. Not just paying the wages and admin costs of fisheries officers. Without the fee we basically have no right to say "Hey we f###in payed for this fishery now fix it up" Regardless of whether fishing has been a free past time for years.

I think its bloody stupid and a waste of time if these patrols are going around checking licenses if they arent also checking bag and size limits. Surely that should be the priority?
However, most people know about the fee, i pay it because i dont want a fine or to loose my catch. For this reason i have ZERO sympathy for someone getting caught without one.
Maybe formally warn them once, tell them about the fee, give them a size and bag limit chart, but if they get caught again, then #### em give them a big fine.

I can see where bonecrushers comparison with RBTs is valid, regardless of what harm fushing does vs drink driving. Thats not the point.
Another comparison can be made to people whinging about speed cameras only being for revenue raising, You may not agree with the speed limit in a certain area, But everyone knows about speed limits and if you didnt speed you wouldnt have been caught by the speed camera. So tough sh##.

As for saying that cops that cant handle the abuse should leave the job.
What a F ####d up attitude, By the way there are many cops who are sick of the abuse that gets thrown their way by people doing the wrong thing and guess what....These cops are leaving their jobs, thats why many police stations are understaffed and why we keep needing to train kids out of high school to be cops, leading to weaker law enforcement targeting "real criminals"
People are way to quick to whinge, no matter how stupid their position is.

BTW to offer a solution/suggestion of where i would like the money from the fees spent rather than just having a rant.
I would like them to Buy out ALL the commercial fishing licenses from the hawkesbury river and pittwater, Make a huge effort to rid pittwater of caulerpa weed,
Make the boat ramp at sandy point (at the end of careel bay) full concrete, not just half a ramp then sand OR make a boat ramp on the pittwater side of palm beach near the car park.

Geez if they did/started all that in the next year or two i would be more than happy to double my fishing fee...............BTW im not holding my breath.

Pukunui

15-06-08, 02:44 AM

Forgot to mention, speaking of police resources/ being understaffed.
I would have thought this sort of thing would be better done by fisheries officers with maybe 1 cop escorting them in case someone flipped out and attacked them.
Surely these water cops should be out stopping the dick heads we see flying around in speed boats wrecking the weekend for numerous other people.

salty fil

15-06-08, 11:33 AM

Another quote, this time from fisho journalist Alistair Mcglashan.

"Its a shame that anglers have been kicked out of those awesome Kingy grounds up at Seals (rocks). We all bought a fishing license but we are becoming increasingly more restricted about where we can fish!"

Now these are people who DO have a voice!

I also got an email a while ago from the club president who was saying that they were considering shutting off Reef Wide off Long Reef cause its a Jewfish breeding ground.
The fish hold there in numbers for about 3 weeks a year and they are around the 3-7 kg range. What a f***ing joke, breeding ground!
Thats another spot gone!

Call me a whinger, a rebel, whatever you like!
At least im not a sheep to the government!!!

It makes me think that a fisherman who agrees with 'fishing licenses' just aint a fisherman!!!!!

Dog Catcher

15-06-08, 12:43 PM

While im not entirely happy with where our money is being spent by the fisheries, i still support the idea of paying a small fee IF IT IS GOING TO ACTUALLY BE SPENT ON IMPROVING OUR FISHERY. Not just paying the wages and admin costs of fisheries officers. Without the fee we basically have no right to say "Hey we f###in payed for this fishery now fix it up" Regardless of whether fishing has been a free past time for years.

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You've got to be joking Pukunui ????????????

You just postd a lengthy reply saying that just because you've paid for your licence anybody who dosen't do likewise should be locked up :rolling laughter:

Did it ever occur to you some people may not want to pay for a licence as a protest cause they think the licence should have never been introduced ??? @ least those sort of people are making some sort of a stand to try & protect what should be our free right to do.

I'm afraid your reply is is very contradictive of itself & you're trying to have it both ways for example

Surely these water cops should be out stopping the dick heads we see flying around in speed boats wrecking the weekend for numerous other people.

What your saying is that speed boats have no right to be on the water ??????

Then there's this

BTW to offer a solution/suggestion of where i would like the money from the fees spent rather than just having a rant.
I would like them to Buy out ALL the commercial fishing licenses from the hawkesbury river and pittwater, Make a huge effort to rid pittwater of caulerpa weed,
Make the boat ramp at sandy point (at the end of careel bay) full concrete, not just half a ramp then sand OR make a boat ramp on the pittwater side of palm beach near the car park.

You've really got to be joking now :rolling laughter::rolling laughter:

Really think you need to do some homework & find out which deptment is responsible for what & to which dept our licence $$'s are going to & what stupid things they're doing with our money

Pukunui

15-06-08, 03:01 PM

You've got to be joking Pukunui ????????????

You just postd a lengthy reply saying that just because you've paid for your licence anybody who dosen't do likewise should be locked up

No i didn't, I said i paid mine because i dont want a fine therefore if someone else is going to have a whinge about getting a fine, tough s### we all have to pay it. If they didnt want a fine they should have paid the fee. regardless of whether they agree with it or not. Not too hard to understand unless you are thick.

Did it ever occur to you some people may not want to pay for a licence as a protest cause they think the licence should have never been introduced ??? @ least those sort of people are making some sort of a stand to try & protect what should be our free right to do.

Sure, but those people should expect to cop a fine if they dont have one..... Simple

Our free right? Why should it be free? I want our fishery improved and dick heads who keep undersized fish fined and personally im prepared to pay a little bit for it to happen.
BTW: If you had read my post you would see that at present i dont agree with where the money is going. I agree with the priciple of paying a small fee for something that is going to benefit us. IF THEY COULD GET IT RIGHT.

I'm afraid your reply is is very contradictive of itself & you're trying to have it both ways for example

Quote:
Surely these water cops should be out stopping the dick heads we see flying around in speed boats wrecking the weekend for numerous other people.
What your saying is that speed boats have no right to be on the water ??????

WTF ? I havent contradicted myself.
I said that the COPS might want to concentrate on keeping the waterways safe from idiots who dont know s### about how to act on the water, which is both dangerous to their passengers and anyone else on the water. That has been discussed on here quite a lot. Remember all the boat license debates about how it is just basically a fee not a license?

Then there's this

Quote:
BTW to offer a solution/suggestion of where i would like the money from the fees spent rather than just having a rant.
I would like them to Buy out ALL the commercial fishing licenses from the hawkesbury river and pittwater, Make a huge effort to rid pittwater of caulerpa weed,
Make the boat ramp at sandy point (at the end of careel bay) full concrete, not just half a ramp then sand OR make a boat ramp on the pittwater side of palm beach near the car park.

You've really got to be joking now http://www.sydneyfishfinder.com.au/sffforum/images/smilies/rolling%20laughter.gifhttp://www.sydneyfishfinder.com.au/sffforum/images/smilies/rolling%20laughter.gif

Really think you need to do some homework & find out which deptment is responsible for what & to which dept our licence $$'s are going to & what stupid things they're doing with our money

Once again you completely missed the point (surprise, surprise)
I said this is what i want my fee money to go to because this would improve my fishery. I dont give a f### what department controls it, thats what i want done.

At least im not a sheep to the government!!!

It makes me think that a fisherman who agrees with 'fishing licenses' just aint a fisherman!!!!!

Im no sheep either but im not blind either.
Who else is going to pay to improve our fisheries (the thing we take our fish out of)?

Personally it makes me think that a fisherman who doesnt give a s### about the health of their fishery isn't a fisherman.
either that or they are just a whinger who wants everything done for their benefit but isnt prepared to pay anything for it.

Anyone who is against the idea of a fishing fee to improve our fishery.
(Not just against the current arrangement where most goes to admin)

I would like to hear what your solution for improving the health and sustainability of the fishery is.
Who is going to pay for it?

Dog Catcher

15-06-08, 03:39 PM

Pukunui, Pukunui, Pukunui !]

I'm afraid you're the one who's lacking substance whatsoever in your comments :rolling laughter::rolling laughter:

Unlike yourself I've done my homework & know very well what the licence fee's are all about.

I also know that there is no hope in hell of the fee's buying out any more LFB's.

Unfortunately for you it's a fairy tale that you are living in & you're one of those guys who's happy to play follow the leader & believe all the nonsense which is thrown @ you & worse still you're one of those guys who spreads those same ramblings.

As far as protecting our fisheries go ??

I'll bet my short & curlies you're one of those anglers who's attitude is

If it's legal then it's on the dinner plate or if it's big enough I'll kill it cause I'll have something to brag about on these forums or to my mates.

That's the attitude which is doing more harm to the fisheries than peeps without licences

salty fil

15-06-08, 04:17 PM

[quote=Pukunui;
Our free right? Why should it be free? I want our fishery improved and dick heads who keep undersized fish fined and personally im prepared to pay a little bit for it to happen.
BTW: If you had read my post you would see that at present i dont agree with where the money is going. I agree with the priciple of paying a small fee for something that is going to benefit us. IF THEY COULD GET IT RIGHT.
Im no sheep either but im not blind either.
Who else is going to pay to improve our fisheries (the thing we take our fish out of)?
Personally it makes me think that a fisherman who doesnt give a s### about the health of their fishery isn't a fisherman.
either that or they are just a whinger who wants everything done for their benefit but isnt prepared to pay anything for it.
I would like to hear what your solution for improving the health and sustainability of the fishery is.
Who is going to pay for it?[/quote]

So we have a do gooder here.
Good for you for fighting your cause, but you must look at who your backing up here.
Your prepared to pay a small fee for something to happen, but you dont agree how its happening, you want it to happen better, your waiting for it to happen better, you will continue to pay the fee whilst waiting for it to happen better.
YOU WILL BE WAITING AND PAYING FOR EVER!!!
How many years have they had now???
I believe it does sound blind.
Who is going to pay for it?
Our government is split into different departments, each one allocated millions and millions of dollars!
Who is going to pay for it - THE BLOODY ENVIRONMENTAL MINISTER, thats who!
We have an environmental affairs mob who have done magnificently making this country beautiful. Any bonuses such as fishing permits are just helping them line their pockets!
An example is the toll for the Harbour Bridge. It was introduced to pay it off. That got payed off a decade ago and were still paying - more and more!
They say that the toll is staying to help fund other roads. Problem is that when a new road gets built its done by a private consortium!
Its all about $$$ fellas, and those who believe otherwise are the suckers who have been duped by the people you are arguing so passionately for!!!

Jewman70

16-06-08, 12:33 PM

LOLOLLOL DC you crack me up, your dead set on the mark.

"I'll bet my short & curlies you're one of those anglers who's attitude is"

If it's legal then it's on the dinner plate or if it's big enough I'll kill it cause I'll have something to brag about on these forums or to my mates.

soooooooooooooooo true

Dog Catcher

16-06-08, 07:15 PM

I was being dead serious for a change :devil-smiley:

I was no angel in the past but back in those days fish were plentifull & no strain on their no's people used to que @ my place when they saw the boat missing.

These days I give fish away to nobody & even when I take someone out I only let them keep what they need not what they want.

Some even start crying when I make them release wittle fishy's :rolling laughter:

I may keep a few for the oldies who never stop harking @ me for a feed but that's it.

You've got no hope in hell if you think you're gonna kill a billfish on my boat & these days with the camera gear about there's no need to.

And I'm pleased @ how many peeps have no probs whatsoever in releasing their 1st Billfish & that's the way it should be they've got the pics , video & memories.

What more can you ask for ???

Jewman70

17-06-08, 09:51 AM

At the Shoal Bay Gamefishing Club , i've had a steak of stripe marlin, its not the best, and its quite tough, if i caught a 40kg job, i might consider, but anything over that, mercury would be thru the roof, and i would release him/her to produce even more...i got to work on pro boat at nambucca heads, for a couple of days when i was up there on holidays, and the storys that he told me about his traps were so CRAZY, one time, we crossed the bar and the first bouy was about 2k offshore, hundreds of trag,almcos, baby samson's ALL squashed in to a trap 2m by 2.5m i would say... CRAZY... also set lines for wobbygongs, with hundreds of hooks, they get sold to all the takeaways, LFB do kill our stocks but so do the boaties,rec's and fresh off boat people who come over here from other countrys, we kill more then the fish reproduce...and the thing is that is going to keep getting worse....even if we do buy thr LFB's out, we still got the faggots on the wharf, catching bucket loads of little fish.....i suggest we make a SSF Wharf Army, ill bring the .308 and .50....im sure DC can make good spears with his knowledge LOLOL!!! :P

BONECRUSHER

17-06-08, 06:14 PM

the best action is Vigilante action!

Dog Catcher

17-06-08, 07:23 PM

if i caught a 40kg job, i might consider, but anything over that, mercury would be thru the roof

Yeah well that theory is a bit of a myth, I did read a report many moons ago which found that you'd have to eat marlin 2 - 3 times a week for 20 years in order for enough mercury buildup to actually kill you.

Same was said about sharks these days both species are readily available in fish shops, mind you they allways were just sold in fish cocktails etc.

There's an estimated 4 million anglers in oz & those 4 million do more damage to fish stocks than the LFB's but your average rec angler will not take any of the resposibility.

As far as fisheries go ??

Well what could you expect from a bunch of pen pushers with absolutely no idea on the state of fish stocks they rely on reports & their decisions are influenced by higher powers in the government.

In other words Fisheries couldn't manage to get laid in a brothel which was dedicated as a Salmon only zone :rolling laughter:

Pukunui

18-06-08, 02:16 AM

I'm afraid you're the one who's lacking substance whatsoever in your comments http://www.sydneyfishfinder.com.au/sffforum/images/smilies/rolling%20laughter.gifhttp://www.sydneyfishfinder.com.au/sffforum/images/smilies/rolling%20laughter.gif

Unlike yourself I've done my homework & know very well what the licence fee's are all about.

I also know that there is no hope in hell of the fee's buying out any more LFB's.

Unfortunately for you it's a fairy tale that you are living in & you're one of those guys who's happy to play follow the leader & believe all the nonsense which is thrown @ you & worse still you're one of those guys who spreads those same ramblings.

I know that there is no hope in hell hence my "Im not holding my breath comment."
and Im not playing follow the leader, I didnt even vote for the f###ing useless iemma government.

What i said is i support the idea of a fishing fee IF IT GETS SPENT RIGHT.
What is so f###ing hard to understand about that?

I'll bet my short & curlies you're one of those anglers who's attitude is

If it's legal then it's on the dinner plate or if it's big enough I'll kill it cause I'll have something to brag about on these forums or to my mates.

That's the attitude which is doing more harm to the fisheries than peeps without licences

You are so full of yourself. Can you point me to any posts on here where i have needlessly killed a fish for braging rights.........No because i don't do that sort of thing. However i can point you to quite a few photos of big dead marlin hanging up by their tails for.......bragging rights. Do you know who is in those photos?
A hipocrite called DC.

If i catch a legal fish and am going to eat it then i keep it, funnily enough thousands of other fisherman do the same. What is wrong with that?

I never said not having a fishing lic is damaging. You are making s### up.
What i said if you could read is "I dont have any sympathy for someone who repeatedly gets caught without a lic and gets fined, i payed mine why shouldnt they pay theirs?"

So we have a do gooder here.
Good for you for fighting your cause, but you must look at who your backing up here.
Your prepared to pay a small fee for something to happen, but you dont agree how its happening, you want it to happen better, your waiting for it to happen better, you will continue to pay the fee whilst waiting for it to happen better.
YOU WILL BE WAITING AND PAYING FOR EVER!!!
How many years have they had now???

A do gooder, give me a break. What a pathetic attempt at an insult.

I agree we might be waiting forever. (or at least until we get rid of iemma)
What are we meant to do? just stop paying then bitch about how our fisheries are turning to S### infront of our eyes? moan about how no money ever gets allocated to rec fishing?

I believe it does sound blind.
Who is going to pay for it?
Our government is split into different departments, each one allocated millions and millions of dollars!
Who is going to pay for it - THE BLOODY ENVIRONMENTAL MINISTER, thats who!

Now who is F###ing blind and dreaming?
We have no hope in hell of getting enough money out of the environment minister unless we are paying something specific for rec fishing.
People mention that we pay tax on tackle and fuel, we are NEVER going to see them spend that on fishing, it's as simple as that.
Any spare money these days is getting spent on knee jerk reactions to "Global warming"
Look at the federal Enviro minister, a greeny. Do you think he will be putting pressure on the states to give more money to fisherman?

So again what do we do?
Do we just do nothing? and then at least we can say we didnt give in to the government.
I would rather pay it, then we would:
a) Have the right to demand that the money is spent on fishing/fisheries.
Maybe oneday they will hear us and spend it right.
b) At least have some money going to maintaining/fixing our fishery, regardless of whether we agree with what is being done.
c) Have some inspectors catching people keeping undersize/too many/illegal fish.

LOLOLLOL DC you crack me up, your dead set on the mark.

"I'll bet my short & curlies you're one of those anglers who's attitude is"

If it's legal then it's on the dinner plate or if it's big enough I'll kill it cause I'll have something to brag about on these forums or to my mates.

soooooooooooooooo true
Are you refering to me?

Mr Potato Head

18-06-08, 03:59 AM

Im with you Pukunui....

Ill state facts that I beleive so as not to get mis quoted again....

I Disagree with having to pay to go fishing.
I Disagree with some of the rules.
I disagree with many of the marine parks.

BUT..

The law is there that says we must pay a minimal fee for a license....

SO...

I Pay the fee.
I Appriciate that People aere getting Checked and caught for breaking the laws.
I appriciate the fact that "Some" reasearch is being done, however contraversial it may be..

What we should all be doing, instead of stirring up trouble and carrying on about on here, is get petitions and letters going to ministers etc..

What also gets to me is that People on here are blaming the poor bloke who has to go and do the checks and give the fines... He didnt make the rules.. His job is to do as such and he (or she) probably has a family at home to feed a well.. So instead of Carrying on like a Dick when they come to inspect you.. Do the right thing by them, and take your fight to the people where it counts....

Jewman70

18-06-08, 09:26 AM

Dog Catcher

18-06-08, 10:58 AM

Pukunui go back & read your initial reply in this thread then come back & tell me whatever you've said since is not a contradiction.

Furthermore go do some homework on how the fee's are being spent & why they came about cause from what I've read in your comments you are indeed living in a fairytail word.

Change of government wont abolish fee's or give back our fishing spots, once revenue is going into governments piggy banks they'll never stop it flowing in.

What i said if you could read is "I dont have any sympathy for someone who repeatedly gets caught without a lic and gets fined, i payed mine why shouldnt they pay theirs?"

Because maybe those people dont believe the licence fee should be about & are making a srand for what they believe in unlike yourself who is willing to accept whatever he's been told.

Your the one who's putting sh*te on these people & believes he's a goody do gooder when all you really are is a hipercrit & as far as this comment goes.

You are so full of yourself. Can you point me to any posts on here where i have needlessly killed a fish for braging rights.........No because i don't do that sort of thing. However i can point you to quite a few photos of big dead marlin hanging up by their tails for.......bragging rights. Do you know who is in those photos?
A hipocrite called DC.

Tell you what Pukunui , doubt very very very much that you would even come close but lets say by some strange miracle that you did.

When you've caught & released as many fish as I have then & only then do you have the right to call me a hipercrit.

Back in the very early 80's when Julian Pepperon started the tagging program I was one of the 1st to have gotten his masters Australia wide so dont you dare preach to me me about releasing fishy's.

Unfortunately some fish come to the boat dead & there's no way of revive'n them & they're the ones you've seen hanging in photo's.

Bet you cant recall the last fish you released ???????????????????????

salty fil

18-06-08, 11:01 AM

I know that there is no hope in hell hence my "Im not holding my breath comment."
and Im not playing follow the leader.
What i said is i support the idea of a fishing fee IF IT GETS SPENT RIGHT.
I agree we might be waiting forever.

Do we just do nothing? and then at least we can say we didnt give in to the government.

I would rather pay it, then we would:
a) Have the right to demand that the money is spent on fishing/fisheries.
Maybe oneday they will hear us and spend it right.
b) At least have some money going to maintaining/fixing our fishery, regardless of whether we agree with what is being done.

So you support a fishing fee if it gets spent right.
BUT you say there is no hope in hell of that happening....
You agree with us that we could be waiting forever.....
Confusing, do you maybe have more dollars than sense??
Do you enjoy giving money away?
Oh hold on a minute, Avalon......
In point 'B' you say atleast we will have money going towards our fishery, regardless of whether we agree whats been done. Do you have the same philosophy with other aspects of your life? Does it not bother you if you dont get what you pay for???
Have you bought a gold ring and gotten a brass one and been ok with it?
Or maybe your just that cashed up things dont bother you!
In point 'A' You say that by paying the fee we will have the right to DEMAND that the money is spent on fishing!
WHAT A BLOODY JOKE!
Just like we demand where our taxes are spent,
Just like we demand where our car regos are spent, but when they build new toll ways they close our roads to force us to go into them!
Just like we up here at the Northern Beaches have been demanding that something be done about the Spit Bridge!!!
We can demand as much in this country as a citizen in Tibet!!!
WAKE UP! YOU ARE FOLLOWING THE LEADER!!!

Dog Catcher

18-06-08, 11:08 AM

Yep Yep that's exactly what he's saying salty & the reason why he & others who share his views are

Bloody Big Hipercrites who haven't got a clue what they're on about.

In a place like Nu Zealund they'd be deemed as sheep & velly popular with the male folk :rolling laughter:

Pukunui

18-06-08, 06:18 PM

I'm not referring too you...im saying in general...most people are like that....i took my cousin and his mates to the perch grounds off bb 2 week's ago..we caught pearlies about 15- 20cms and they wanted to keep them but i insisted to throw them back...yes they had the ****s but i don't like it...theres no meat what so ever...and there such a pretty fish
No worries

Furthermore go do some homework on how the fee's are being spent & why they came about cause from what I've read in your comments you are indeed living in a fairytail word.

FFS i have if you had actually read what i wrote you might see that i've said that im not entirely happy about where it is going. Get that through your thick skull.

Because maybe those people dont believe the licence fee should be about & are making a srand for what they believe in unlike yourself who is willing to accept whatever he's been told.
Exactly they are making a stand so they can cop the F###ing fine as far as im concerned.

Your the one who's putting sh*te on these people & believes he's a goody do gooder when all you really are is a hipercrit & as far as this comment goes.

Quote:
You are so full of yourself. Can you point me to any posts on here where i have needlessly killed a fish for braging rights.........No because i don't do that sort of thing. However i can point you to quite a few photos of big dead marlin hanging up by their tails for.......bragging rights. Do you know who is in those photos?
A hipocrite called DC.
Tell you what Pukunui , doubt very very very much that you would even come close but lets say by some strange miracle that you did.

When you've caught & released as many fish as I have then & only then do you have the right to call me a hipercrit.

Back in the very early 80's when Julian Pepperon started the tagging program I was one of the 1st to have gotten his masters Australia wide so dont you dare preach to me me about releasing fishy's.

Unfortunately some fish come to the boat dead & there's no way of revive'n them & they're the ones you've seen hanging in photo's.

Bet you cant recall the last fish you released ???????????????????????

Do you even know what a hipocrite is?
You accused me of keeping fish for bragging rights (which i have never done), yet
you yourself have done this in the past.
That is hipocrisy.

And i dont really give a f### if you have caught more fish than me, Only a f###ing child would give a s### about that, i fish because i like fishing not because i want to be better than someone.

And yes i can remember the last fish i released, last time i went fishing i didnt keep anything . I even released (shock horror) some legal ones.
Get over yourself.

So you support a fishing fee if it gets spent right.
BUT you say there is no hope in hell of that happening....
You agree with us that we could be waiting forever.....
Confusing, do you maybe have more dollars than sense??
Do you enjoy giving money away?
Oh hold on a minute, Avalon......

What is the alternative? Pay nothing and GUARANTEE that NOTHING will ever be done?
At least by paying it SOMETHING is getting done, it might not be my prefered option (which may never happen) but it is something.

Once again a pretty weak attempt at an insult, Id much rather live in Avalon than the s### hole you live in and not rolling in money i just dont blindly expect to get something i want without paying for it.

In point 'B' you say atleast we will have money going towards our fishery, regardless of whether we agree whats been done. Do you have the same philosophy with other aspects of your life? Does it not bother you if you dont get what you pay for???
Have you bought a gold ring and gotten a brass one and been ok with it?
Or maybe your just that cashed up things dont bother you!

FFS its $30 a year, I pay for fisheries management, thats what i get.

In point 'A' You say that by paying the fee we will have the right to DEMAND that the money is spent on fishing!
WHAT A BLOODY JOKE!
Just like we demand where our taxes are spent,
Just like we demand where our car regos are spent, but when they build new toll ways they close our roads to force us to go into them!
Just like we up here at the Northern Beaches have been demanding that something be done about the Spit Bridge!!!
We can demand as much in this country as a citizen in Tibet!!!

It still gives us more weight than if we contributed nothing.
We may not get much but it is still a hell of alot more than nothing,

WAKE UP! YOU ARE FOLLOWING THE LEADER!!!

So i should be following you guys instead?
Bulls##t i say.

Bloody Big Hipercrites who haven't got a clue what they're on about.

Learn to spell the word before you try and use it.
You are the one who keeps missing the point that all these people who "dont know what they are on about" are trying to make. I'll spell it out one more time, please read it slowly.

THE IDEA OF PAYING A SMALL FEE TO CONTRIBUTE TO THE MANAGEMENT OF OUR FISHERY, WHICH OUR SPORT/HOBBY/LIFESTYLE IS HEAVILY DEPENDENT ON, IS NOT SUCH A BAD IDEA.
If its getting spent in the wrong places blame the government not the idea of a fee.

hookenin

18-06-08, 06:40 PM

This is getting deep. I just object in general to having to pay to go fishing. If the useless pricks at the fisheries had been doing their job properly since they were introduced (buggered if i know when that was) and getting out there and nailing the assholes with bucket loads of undersize fish, I don't believe there would be any need to buy out LFBs or create these stupid bloody marine parks. There would probably still be plenty of fish around. I don't know how many times I've been told stories by blokes that go something along the lines of "when i was young and used to fish here or there 20 or 30 years ago you could fill your boat with fish in an hour" If people couldn't do that (ie. the fisheries enforced the rules) we wouldn't be having this conversation I don't reckon. But I could be wrong, I don't know when these rules and fisheries officers were introduced, can anyone enlighten me?

xtosea

18-06-08, 06:48 PM

Popcorn get your popcorn..................

Seriously guys, LETS AGREE TO DISAGREE here, im sure over a beer we would all get along, before this gets out of hand and my hands will be full and i wont be able to eat any more popcorn?

Thanks guys.
Kamil

Pukunui

18-06-08, 09:14 PM

Dog Catcher

18-06-08, 10:59 PM

Pukunui I'm not even going to bother replying to your remarks until you've come up with something logical.

hookenin you on the other hand are @ least not talking cr*p.

This is getting deep. I just object in general to having to pay to go fishing. If the useless pricks at the fisheries had been doing their job properly since they were introduced

They cant do that because the officers get given instructions on what they can & cant do by pen pushers who are clueless.

But like I said earlier in one of my comments if these officers cant handle the abuse that I'm sure is thrown @ them then they should be looking for another job.

these stupid bloody marine parks.

Marine parks are a joke & only came about because of stupid politicians trying to buy the greeny vote.

They serve no real purpose exept to endanger smaller boat owners from fishing the close in reefs making those anglers seek other spots further out to sea.

You dont have to be a rocket scientist to work out that fish dont live @ the same spot exept for a few local fishy's.

They need to follow the food source wheather it be up the rivers or out to sea so it really beats the hell out of me why some Moron would think it a good idea to set up these marine parks.

If they were fair dinkum then they would follow the lead of the authorities like in Sth Oz who have the common sense to close all snapper fishing when the fish are coming in to spawn.

They do the same thing with murray the cod & I dont think anyone could criticise that sort of action.

Get ready to see the size of the marine park destined to be enforced from Bot Bay to the habour.

That's what these LFB buyouts were about it's all about the comercial shiping sector.

Earlier I spoke of an artificial reef which DPI are trying to get in as a trade off for this marine park if they do then you watch the LFB boats cane the sh*te out of it, our licence fee's hard @ work for those exact people we were alledgly buying out.

I don't know how many times I've been told stories by blokes that go something along the lines of "when i was young and used to fish here or there 20 or 30 years ago you could fill your boat with fish in an hour"

Yep Yep inside Botany Bay snapper like you wouldn't believe average size around 3 kg.

Haven't seen a fish over 1 1/2 kg since the day they started working on the 3rd runway.

It's not the LFB's who were responsible for their disappearance it was the govnment F*****ing up the Bay, you cant mess with mother nature

hookenin

19-06-08, 11:16 AM

They cant do that because the officers get given instructions on what they can & cant do by pen pushers who are clueless.

what do you mean they can't do that? I said they should've been doing their job. Don't know if you misinterpreted was I was getting at there mate? But what I was saying is if they had been out "on the beet" so to speak and enforcing the bag and size limits in years gone by we wouldn't be in this situation today. Don't know about other guys here but personally I have NEVER been approached by a fisheries officer, I can't even remember seeing one, what are they good for? They should get abused by people when we see them, A) for being there now handing out fines for not having a peice of paper to say you paid a fee to go fishing, and B) for not being there before and letting the situation get to this point. As i said in an earlier post, I have even called them before to inform them of people cleaning a bag full of undersize whiting and they didn't even turn up. Their office is about 4min away from where I was.
Gee their on the ball hey!:2gunsfiring_v1::2gunsfiring_v1::2gunsfiring_v 1:

Jewman70

19-06-08, 11:24 AM

what if i was refrerring to you pukunui??? were you goin to throw an E-Punch thru your E_Modem? LOLOLOL

neilm

19-06-08, 01:44 PM

Mr Potato Head

19-06-08, 05:05 PM

thats what I been trying to say neilm...

Pukunui

19-06-08, 08:49 PM

what if i was refrerring to you pukunui??? were you goin to throw an E-Punch thru your E_Modem? LOLOLOL

Haha yeah good one.
I would have said you dont know s### about me or what i do so you are talking crap.

Pukunui I'm not even going to bother replying to your remarks until you've come up with something logical.

Kind of ironic you talking about logical discussion.
But hey thats fine with me, im sick of arguing with a brick wall.

Dog Catcher

19-06-08, 09:51 PM

what do you mean they can't do that? I said they should've been doing their job. Don't know if you misinterpreted was I was getting at there mate?

Na Na I knew what you were saying

Thought my reply was pretty explanitory

Unless those fishery officers get told to go catch peeps who are in poccesion of undersize fishy's they wont.

In the case of this thread crab on a stick was reporting that the officers were doing the old Hawaii 5 o Bookem Dano !

Only those without licences with no mention whatsoever nor indication that those officers were checking for undersized fish.

In other words their orders for the day were to bust peeps without a licence.

Now if Pukunui was there I'm sure he would've baked those officers a chocolate cake & told them what a fine job they were doing :rolling laughter:

hookenin

20-06-08, 08:15 AM

OK mate I gotcha now and yeah I suppose you're right.

A question for ya mate, and everyone else here, how many times have you had you're catch inspected for bag size limits and how many times have you been asked to produce a fishing licence.

I don't understand how they've managed to do what ever it is they do, (or supposed to do) for all these years on how ever much $$$ they've been allocated and now they need so much more from us in the way of licence fees and still do jack **** except fine people for not paying the fees and take away areas that we're allowed to fish. OK so they bought out a few LFBs and thats been well and truly paid for now.
What will they think of next, register our fishing rods, at a cost of course, and maybe buy a day/monthly/yearly pass to be allowed out on the water, or perhaps some sort of rent or hourly hire system for the land that the LB fishos use.

Mr Potato Head

20-06-08, 08:50 AM

Has anyone made a stand about this, other than complaining on the forums..

Is there anyone out there that is in a club or in politics that can start some sort of action against this.. Can it be taken to A Current affair or someone.. They allways Bull**** anywayz, so maybe we can get them on our side and make the ministers look really bad about it all...

We need someone to take some kind of charge in a fight... not to argue on here about small inconviniences....

IMD

20-06-08, 10:25 AM

From a purely political point of view, paying a licence gives you power over the authority collecting it, because you can then hold over them the threat to withdraw that funding. However as an individual that power is worthless. It needs to be done as part of a significant group.

The problem here is (in common with much of aussie politics, hence the embarassing state of both the NSW govt and its opposition) that everyone is prepared to have a whinge, maybe take a pop at the fisheries officers - but nobody can be bothered to complain, in mass, to the people who actually matter. You can whinge at the officers all you like, but since when did complaining to parking attendant change the parking regs?

If you really do give two hoots and want change:

a) decide what it is you actually want
b) give the authority hell until you get it and
c) pay your fee so they can afford to do it

Until then, expect no change.

kingyfisher

20-06-08, 11:05 AM

I pay for my licence purely because I can't afford to replace my gear if it gets confiscated. Just an observation:
This is where the greenies will always win. Divide and conquer? They don't need to do it, we do it all by ourselves. Should we not be venting our anger and frustration at the Authorities who impose this rather than one another?

Hear, hear ,Neil you have that right!The green looby, although small is very vocal,narrow ,& single-minded(perhaps 'simple-minded',in reality).
Anglers however are a large, diverse,group,with many and varied interests in fishing,and because of that we are unco-ordinated when the important lobbying starts.The pollies know that large significant groups of people have one uniform Achillies heel ....inertia.We are always slow to respond to impositions,so they(the pollies) try to 'slip'things quietly & quickly through the legislative process .Our advantage ? Simple ,because of our size we have MOMENTUM,and once we have a unified voice & direction we can be UNSTOPPABLE:headbang::headbang::headbang::headbang ::headbang:

Dog Catcher

20-06-08, 06:29 PM

A question for ya mate, and everyone else here, how many times have you had you're catch inspected for bag size limits and how many times have you been asked to produce a fishing licence.
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When in the mood I prob fish more often than most maybe 3 - 4 times a week in the Bay & in all my years doing so I've only ever once come across anybody from fisheries.

Having said that I've lost count how many times I've seen fisheries officers down the road buying their lunch's even pulled them up a couple of times to ask Q's.

Now down the road is @ least 5 miles from the bay & I'm sure there's no fisheries office for @ least 10 miles so you have to ask ??

Is this a Blatant example of our fishing licences @ work ???????????

I'm pretty sure most of the fishery officers fish & I'll tell you's what I'm going to trick one when next I see them, start up a conversation to see whether they do fish then ask them to produce a fishing licence.

Bet they dont have to pay for theirs !

so they bought out a few LFBs and thats been well and truly paid for now

I'd like to see anybody prove my theory wrong in regards to LFB buy back, it's just a smokescreen to raise revenue so as the authorities didn't have to compensate the existing LFB's in Botany Bay cause of the developement going on.

ps] Our fee's paid for those LFB's in the 1st year they were introduced.

Has anyone made a stand about this, other than complaining on the forums..

Spudus Minimus !

Sort of, one of the local fishing clubs who are right in there with ANSA have been on the authorities back for years, they also fought the govnment in regards to the De Sal plant.

Originally the government wanted to dump all the salt right back into the ocean @ the cliffs @ Kurnell which in turn would've turned the area & Bot Bay into a Dead Sea with no fishy's being able to cope with the high concentration of salt.

From a purely political point of view, paying a licence gives you power over the authority collecting it, because you can then hold over them the threat to withdraw that funding. However as an individual that power is worthless.

That's exactly right but as long as you'ne got people thinking that their fee's are doing good for the fishermen then the government is laughing @ us.

Really do think a hell of alot of people need to wake up to themselves & see whats really going on.

Maybe they will once their favourite fishing spots are off limits but by then it'll be to late