Boating fatality

[Haji]

A photo in today's newspaper showing what appears to be the bow of a substantial aluminium boat notes that the two deceased seventy year old occupants were found inside the upside down boat and that the cause may have been the boat getting caught up in the anchor rope causing it to flip over.

The paper also claimed that the conditions were not very rough. That begs the question, how did what looks to be a well found boat turn over so quickly that two occupants were caught inside what I assume (from looking at the pic of the bow) was a centre cabin or similar configuratian boat?

A terrible tragedy and our hearts go out to the family and friends of the two fishos.

As always in cases like this some good might come from it if the two survivors can provide details as to what caused the boat to flip so that others can avoid the same situation.

Maybe, this was a case of retrieving the anchor by tying the anchor rope off to a stern cleat and driving forward at a rate of knots causing the stern to instantly (and quite violently) be pulled under and filling the boat when the anchor stuck fast.

Something for our less experienced boating members to be aware of.

Hopefully we will see a full report of the cause, if not in the papers, the coroners report into the accident should provide details and possibly recommendations on avoiding the circumstances that caused the accident.

A sad day for fishing.

HAJI

[Mr Potato Head]

Yea, its a shame to see such a thing...

Just a quick touch haji...

A Anchor rope shouls NEVER been attached to the rear of a boat.. Even when doing an anchor retrival.. on small boats it can simply be dont from the front but bigger boats with bigger anchors it should be done from the front with the aid of a bouy!!!

[Hamuwaja]

Hey potatoe, just to clarify.. this is only when actually retrieving yeah ?? cause you can set your anchor out the back and front when fishing ???

What i did on my boat the other day (sand anchor pulled we drifted and it got caught in reef) was just let out all of the ancor rope clipped on my bouy.. then drove around in a big loop before driving back along side and past my anchor rope... i also just had my mate on the boat watching the rope the whole time, and if it was going to go under the boat he was gunna yell... didnt go under, came up a charm with the anchor trailing behind us...

then basically got my mate to pull it in...

How do you other guys do it ??

Good idea to put all ideas up, with pros and cons. to keep all fellow finders safe...

Pity about these guys... definateley a sad day for fishing whenever tragedy like this strikes...

[xtosea]

Very sad news.
Condolences to all the family of involved.

[Mr Potato Head]

I wouldnt tie a anchor to the back of a boat ever, the shape of the back end of a boat does not promote it to lift when a wave or current moves against it. therefore a big wash or the tide will suck the boat down into the water whereas the v shaped bow will lift...

[Haji]

Hi PH

I couldn't agree more with your comments re never tying off from the back of the boat.

Also, although I have not seen it happen it is my understanding that if you tie your anchor rope off the back to retrieve the anchor using a buoy and the anchor is stuck fast the boat will come to a sudden stop when the rope comes tight. The force of the prop continuing to try and drive the boat forward will then literally pull the stern underwater.

As most persons using a retrieval buoy tend to drive their boats quite fast I believe this all happens very quickly with absolutely no time before DISASTER!

Conversely, if you tie the rope off the front of the boat and the anchor is stuck the worst that you will get is a violent 180 degree turn of the boat when the rope comes tight. Not pleasant but a lot safer.

As I recall, this topic was discussed at lenght in earlier posts with Frank (Nimrod) among others, offering some good advice. (where is Frank, anyone heard from him?)

Cheers

Haji

[Mr Potato Head]

Yea, still hear from Frank over at FOS..

[Haji]

PH

FOS?

Thanks

Haji

[Mr Potato Head]

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[trublufisher]

giday all.
condolences to the love ones of this tragic advent firstly!

i have been fishing quite a few wrecks and have been caught up quite good on a few occassions ,with my exsperience at these advents 1 i have had to cut the rope off after trying everything ,doing the circles ,letting out 300m of rope and going forward and reversing fast to try and pop the shackle ,never tie off from the back as it causes the roll over affect same that happens to trawler when they get hooked up on what they call hookups.
with the motor still going it all happens to quickly as the rope tightens and the motor keeps pushing the boat turns side ways then they roll if it aint back of and even when backing off the stretch in the rope can drag you back and its fairly scary.

I changed my system to a small shackle on the anchour not the chain to rope ,it worked fine last time i was caught on the wreck,were i went forward over the anchor and reversed at a fair speed say 4 to 5 knots but i wasnt happy with that although it was safer then the circles but i lost 2 anchors .

So as soon as me and dj got home i went into the factory and made an invented me own anchor ,now i am shore it might have been done befor as most things have in this world lol,but it come outa my head and took the best part of 15 minutes.
now i cant even feel the pop on any reef or wreck and i think you should give it ago ,simple and thats with using the bouy ,i dont use foam type ,i use the spanner crab bouy.
i will throw up some photos if i have any here and if not i will draw it or go down to the boat and take a pic.

shouldnt be long

[pingu]

Gidday Trubluefisher,

I would like to see your photos, if you could post them, that would be great. :penguin:

[trublufisher]

well i never had i pic so i went down and did a video of it for you.
i did some fishing aswell at berrowa and we managed 2 bream and a flounder this time .
the anchor also sit fine in the ball aswell as the chain stops it from dr0pping again.

ok i had a bit of time to wait for it to upload the first never worked reason for the edit.
cheers
blu

[HSV]

mate this sounds interesting??

[trublufisher]

ok i re edited the postit is in the one below hsv,s post

cheers

blu

[pingu]

Thanks Trublufisher,

Having a few probs uploading it but I will get my nephew on to it, thanks again for the video. :biggrin:

[trublufisher]

Thanks Trublufisher,

Having a few probs uploading it but I will get my nephew on to it, thanks again for the video. :biggrin:

no problems mate .
would you like me to email it for you pingu?
and if you like the idea we can catch up sometime and i dont mind making it up if it will help.
cheers

blu

[Haji]

Hey Blu, what a great effort!

Well done and thank you for sharing the idea with the rest of us.

Definitely going to make one of your mods.

Cheers

Haji

[trublufisher]

hey thats great hagi!

thanx for the reply mate ,i hope it helps haji .
i forgot to show that i have another length of chain,i just had that one laying around from and old chain block,
bigger chain i would use rather than that,but as i say make do with what you got .
i lost qiute a few last year so i had to do something ,it really works a treat.
take care mate

blu

[pingu]

Thanks Blu,

Could you send it to kjcav@hotmail.com

Incidently about this post, i have been reading up on anchors in a book I bought for 50c from the op shop, "Australian Boating Manual" (old copy). It is packed with info for boating but it doesnt mention anything about anchoring from the aft only, although it does warn about being swamped by a wave from astern when using two anchors (fore & aft). It assumes most boats are anchored from bow only. Looks like a training manual.

[trublufisher]

sounds interesting mate.
i will send it now
cheers bud

blu

[HSV]

That an awesome idea..........you should make em up and sell them, call them TRU-BLU Anchor...well done!!!!

[quintrex101]

yeh thats pretty sweet mate im pretty sure lots of people would buy one !

[trublufisher]

cheers!

all i know is they work fantastic fellas ,just handy to have one on board if you are fishing them dicky spots or wrecks .
and for a small boat they are worth the 15 bucks to make one .

blu

[pingu]

Gidday Blu,

Mate, your anchor is great!.

If you decide to sell it, I think it would be a winner, good for all boaties.

[trublufisher]

thanx mate.
i just hope it can help a few and maybe save some the danger of being stuck with the dramas that follow
cheers fella,s

blu

[steve at woolgoolga]

Hi Guys sad to here about our two fellow fisherman may they R.I.P

My experance with anchoring. Have a mate that sunk a 17ft seafarer from pulling the anchor from the stern of the boat, he said that it happened in seconds tight anchor rope swell came through boat sunk. Swam to island to wait to be rescued (this happened north of Coffs Harbour) What i would like to stress is this happened in seconds no time to tell your mate quick cut the anchor rope or quick put it in reverse.
On my boat i have put on a rope from the bow with a stainless hook that reaches back in to the deck area (see in pic) ,after i throw the anchor i attach
this to anchor rope and clip on the float (bubble) To retrive i just drive the boat off the float slides down the anchor rope to the chain i have a spoon handel tied in to the anchor rope so it doesnt slide back down (see pic) un hook of lead rope pull anchor rope in. This way you never have to climb up on the bow of the boat. Handy to have a box for the anchor rope that you can put under bow of boat.
In the pic,s i have two floats the foam float i know longer use as my anchor was to heavy for it , the tear drop float has almost twice the boyance (lift) capasicty compaired to the foam float. Some think to think about when buying a float for your anchor

Steve at Woolgoolga