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Anyone know a good threadline that casts well, i mean casts braid well? FlatRock what do you use for spinning off the rocks? Most eggbeaters dont cast braid that well. IT digs into itself and stuff. Or is there and overhead that is more suited to it?
Kamil
sydfish
28-02-07, 09:50 AM
Kamil the Daiwa's with a ABS spool seem to be the best for casting braid, particularily in the smaller sizes. Make sure that it is packed on tight or you will get a feww probs on any reel. PE braid and fused braid such as fireline are better than the older and rounder styles
Kamil,
Daiwa is the way to go and depending on your budget you can score some real work horses. The best alrounder I can find is the Capricorn 4500j as it can be used as a jigging reel, casting reel, bottom bouncing and even trolling and it has a 9kg drag system and is very light.
I have heaps of medium to big spin gear and all of them are loaded with true braids and not fused braids, becasuse I have no problem at all with the higher poundage ratings of daiwa sensor 8, jigman and tuff line and they are packed on tight and touch wood no wind knots.
Unfortunatley the same cannot be said about the fused lines.
By the way what is your budget?
Cheers
Lee
Thanks hepas guys, Lee, budget up to about $400, dont want to spend more than that. I looked on Campbells, and cant find the Capricorn? It might be me. Ive tried spinning wit Penns and BTR's and nearly threw them in the water. I'll look into the Daiwa's. Maybe also change my braid! Its mainly for spinning off the boat at Dollys and bust ups when i come across them. But as you said Lee, a Reel that can Jig also would be great. Thanks for your help.
Kamil
pk-fishn
01-03-07, 08:43 PM
they may be a bit outa the price range but a daiwa certate 4000 is the bees knees when it comes to casting at pelagics, matched with a saltiga dorado or a gloomis green water, thats a top of the line outfit...
cheers pk
Yeah that was my first choice from another mate, but just a bit too exxy for me at the moment, may have to wait a while and get one. Thanks Pk.
imnotafish
04-03-07, 06:05 PM
Mate there r so many good casting reels.
both overhead and spin
It is the braid quality that is probably more important.
Whats your budget?
Flatrock uses a dogfight off the rocks but it has since kicked the bucket.
Pretty average performance for a $1500 reel.
How big do u need it??
For what size fish?
Flatrock uses a dogfight off the rocks but it has since kicked the bucket.
Pretty average performance for a $1500 reel.
I thought those things were close to bulletproof! What went wrong?
As Stef has mentioned, it is more to do with the braid than the reel itself. I use an Okuma Eclipz 50...yeah yeah....don't laugh... And it casts great. It has BRAID not fued line on it. From memory, it is FinnS.
Kamil,
here is the link for the capricorn - http://www.campbellsprotackle.com/store/product.asp?ID=3391
I'm pretty sure there are some still available as I heard they were not making the anymore.
Why not also have a look at the Daiwa Tierra range as i think the 3000 and 4000 size would be good and they are around $220 mark.
Shimano twinpowers are worth a look as is the Sustain, but there are more expensive reels and they don't quite feel as smooth as the Daiwa's.
Unless you are chasing big bull dollies, then the smaller reels with a good line capacity and drag system can stop the fish, unless you are near a fad, they have a long way to go until they either brick you or spool you
Cheers
Lee
pk-fishn
08-03-07, 11:59 AM
[QUOTE=JOC00L]I thought those things were close to bulletproof! What went wrong?
QUOTE]
i thought the exact same thing for a $1500 reel youd think theyd be tops, i had my mind on one and would like to know what went wrong with the reel??
cheers pk
From the people in the know, Stella's all the way! Thats not coming from me, but people who have used all the top threadlines, i have seen to many posts here and from overseas that have shown the Daiwas broken in one way or another. I dont know why this happens.?
Kamil
Thats right kamil. Alot of Diawa's break , but have a look at what lines they were being fished with and if they are red lined on a regualr basis. Apart from the new dogfight which seems to have issues, reels such as the 3500hd Certate, entire saltiga range ( bar dogfight ) are awsome performers and both my saltiga and hd certate have been red lined and still perform to this day effortlessly.
Its all up to you and im not going to defend one make over another or put crap on each models just the facts as I know them.
The one thing to becareful about stella's are the fact that they are now making the 3rd generation of stellas to fix the previous problems and personally in my eyes I still don't think any of the stella range holds a candle to its equivelant in the Daiwa range and I know to many people that own them that don't like them anymore and wished they had jumped ship and bought a Daiwa. Also I know of a fair few stella's that have been fished for a season but not pushed hard and they are sounding a little grindy.
Its a big decision but hopefully you should be able to make an inform decision and the best people to speak to are people that have changed from Daiwa to Shimano and vice versa as they have first hand knowledge of both camps reels and can point out why they made the switch.
Cheers
Lee
Lee im never gonna buy one of those ridiculously priced reels! I was meer dreaming! I would rather another Tiagra over one of them. I know what you are saying, i know your argument about how much each individual reel was fished, and from what i have been told they were fished on par with others on the same boats, catching the same calibre fish. To me a reel that costs that much should never have a problem like these i have heard have. Its so hard, to make a choice, but for what i am looking for i think i may save for a Certate, i loved them from the first time i laid eyes on them! It will be a Daiwa as i have too many Shimano's and Penns. Only a few Daiwa's. I'm not gonna thrash it so it will last me a long time. Thanks for all your input guys.
Kamil
mate then the choice is simple. The 3500hd:headbang: Mine has 300m of 17kg XDS on it and if wound on nice and tight I don't think you will have much problems with holding big line capacity's if you wanted to run 30lb braid.
Save the money then and stop buing fishing gear :rolling laughter: if only it was that easy huh:lol:
i know what you are saying about he price of reels and I agree that things shouldn't break when they cost that much.
Cheers
Lee
imnotafish
12-03-07, 10:22 PM
For all those who have asked about the dogfight.... - we have had a couple of doggies back to the shop already for differing reasons, and flatrocks is goooooone. His started clicking on retrieve after a short period of time jigging out at the peak for kings.
Tho he wasnt happy it wasnt enough to get the total pisser with, but after about a month it has started grinding badly. Now admittedly he fishes for big fish and uses heavy braid but isnt that the idea of a dogfight??
(He has been trying to hook up a marlin on it but thatll have to wait.......)
There seems to be some issues with the higher speed of retieve - the gearing just cannot stand up to it.....
I suspect Daiwa being the top class manufacturers they r will be on to this tho. The 4500 and 6500expedition has had no such problems, and even the saltist spins r on the money.
Kamil if you r keen to get a top performance reel for a bottom level price, did you know that shimano have an upgrade for the spheros 14000, that changes all the gearing, handle and i think even drag washers to stella stuff??
Could be just the ticket for throwing stuff at those 15+kg dollies you never take me out with you to get!!!
hahaha
I also saw photos today from a guy who caught a Dogtooth Tuna in PNG that looked at least 85kg (the guys from Nomad think it might even be bigger based on the pics) that was stitched up nicely with a Stella 20,000 on a blue rose.
As you said the Shimano stuff is definately up to it!
The only other factor is that we only get the bottom level Shimano stuff, especially the Stella, in Aus. In the US you can get the Stella SW 20,000 HG (which is the high gear saltwater version with 25% larger gearing and better rustproofing, which we NEVER see here) - so looking at overseas reviews for reel comparisons can be misleading.
Everyone should just get an Accurate anyway!!!
Now they r a real reel
pk-fishn
13-03-07, 06:33 PM
thanks for that reply and info imnotafish.
cheers pk
did you know that shimano have an upgrade for the spheros 14000, that changes all the gearing, handle and i think even drag washers to stella stuff??
I got an upgrade kit for mine, and it was the carbon drag washers, and another bearing. Not the handle as far as I was aware.
Can you verify your claim at all Steff? And what do they charge for a complete upgrade?
imnotafish
14-03-07, 06:37 PM
im in the shop friday joe ill let you know
storms72
16-03-07, 06:22 PM
Hey Kamil, i'm currently using around 40lb braid on my silstar (is made by okuma few years old now) and it casts fine. Am in the process of paying off a Okuma baitrunner biggest I can get for live baitin and chuckin big lures, only costs around $180.00 couple of mates have them and they have owned and still have a few different reels (shimano, penn, diawa, mitchell) and for quality/value for money/warranty/cranking power theyre definately worth a look.
imnotafish
17-03-07, 10:03 AM
Ok Joe the upgrade is three parts - bearings, drag and handle, not gears as i previously mentioned. The handle is definately available. Each upgrade is available seperately i believe
Thats right kamil. Alot of Diawa's break , but have a look at what lines they were being fished with and if they are red lined on a regualr basis. Apart from the new dogfight which seems to have issues, reels such as the 3500hd Certate, entire saltiga range ( bar dogfight ) are awsome performers and both my saltiga and hd certate have been red lined and still perform to this day effortlessly.
Its all up to you and im not going to defend one make over another or put crap on each models just the facts as I know them.
The one thing to becareful about stella's are the fact that they are now making the 3rd generation of stellas to fix the previous problems and personally in my eyes I still don't think any of the stella range holds a candle to its equivelant in the Daiwa range and I know to many people that own them that don't like them anymore and wished they had jumped ship and bought a Daiwa. Also I know of a fair few stella's that have been fished for a season but not pushed hard and they are sounding a little grindy.
Its a big decision but hopefully you should be able to make an inform decision and the best people to speak to are people that have changed from Daiwa to Shimano and vice versa as they have first hand knowledge of both camps reels and can point out why they made the switch.
Cheers
Lee
you say look at the line people are using.
the bloody reels are designed to hold a crap load of drag therefore it should be able to hold alot of drag pressure.
why else would you spend over a thousand dollars for a threadline reel.
shimanos all day
38KG line Versus 15KG's of drag, do the sums jimmy ya jockey.
you say look at the line people are using.
the bloody reels are designed to hold a crap load of drag therefore it should be able to hold alot of drag pressure.
why else would you spend over a thousand dollars for a threadline reel.
shimanos all day
Thats right i said look at the line they are using because thats I wanted Kamil to do. Look at the breaking strains of the line that were being used.
To many guys are fishing braid that is way to heavy for the reel that is being used. Breaking reel seats, feet off reels, smashing shafts, rotors exploding and the list goes on and on. The major culprit for this is upgraded or extreme drags. Something is going to break and irrespective if a reel can pull 15 kg of drag if you are using 40kg+ braid on that reel and using a 40 kg stick, things will break because it was not designed for that purpose.
At the end of the day its pretty simple to what is causing the blow ups and its happening to both shimano and Daiwa.
Shimano all day??? nah not for me sorry because personally I don’t like paying their asking price for yesterdays technology.
Cheers
Lee
38KG line Versus 15KG's of drag, do the sums jimmy ya jockey.
oi guru, saltigas hold more than 15kg, go on the daiwa site and do the calculations.
where do you get 38kg from?
by the way my names not Jimmy got it guru
Shimano all day??? nah not for me sorry because personally I don’t like paying their asking price for yesterdays technology.
you prefer to pay daiwa prices the saltiga is more price than a stella for starters.
secondly technology!!! what tha? forget the technology mate people have been catching big fish for many years with not even a smidgen of technology and not getting busted up by Sydney king rats on heavy duty daiwa outfits.
give me a break
Cheers
James[/QUOTE]
Yes I did pay the asking price for a saltiga over a stellas and I wonder why I did that. Maybe its the fact that most of the stella’s you see in the mags are actually SW stella’s. Much more tougher than the stella’s we get here and the stella’s that are for sale locally can’t even compete with the SW’s. If we start getting the good shimano gear instead of getting the old crap then there might be some comparison, but until shimano realises this the gear we have will be the gear we have.
Also I do know of some testing being done right now on a prototype shimano reel that will blow any spinning reel on the market out of the water. I doubt it will ever make production due to the cost but lets just say that shimano have created a cross breed and pound for pound it’s the toughest reel they have ever produced, tougher than the tiagra’s.
Also I have not been busted up by any Sydney rats this season that I can recall of and if a rat can pull 20kgs of drag then that’s the fish that wasted me. Rats are normally in the boat within 60 secs of being hooked. So far there has been no need to bring out the big reels as what I have got has done the job so far for me.
I think Jaja might have been talking about 38kg braid, that’s the way I read it and for the record some of the saltiga range actually do have 15kg of drag, not all of them pull the 25kg-30kg.
I’m not getting involved in which one is better as its like the holden verus ford issue and it will never end. My decision on my brand is made up and so is yours and there is no reason each of us need to try to change each others mind about which brand of reel we use.
If shimano actually did start bringing out their Jap/Us reels you would then understand of what the comment I made about “paying their asking price for yesterdays technology” was actually referring to.
Do yourself a favour and check out the jap shimano site if you have not already done so. There are some tasty goodies on their that would even get the most die hard Daiwa fan salivating.
Cheers
Lee
James,
jaja deserved your response & has been informed so by me, but don't undestand your shot at Lee, after reading this thread, his posts have been informative & reasonably non bias, which was answering the question asked by Kamil, to say either company produces crap at the upper level is a massive statement to make as all reels are vulnerable to malfunction through either faults or poor maintenents, what ever reasons it happens to all makes.
I am looked after by Daiwa & at times my posts may sound bais, only because i can comment on what I feel because I know the product, having said that, you still won't find me rubbishing Shimano's top end stuff.
If it's a personal problem you have with Lee, sort it out elsewhere please & visa-versa Lee, not here.
Thanks Greg.
Greg I don't think James has a problem with me at all, well I hope not because I have not done anything that I can remeber to deserve it, and as far as I can see its a healthy debate.
Cheers
Lee
James,
jaja deserved your response & has been informed so by me, but don't undestand your shot at Lee, after reading this thread, his posts have been informative & reasonably non bias, which was answering the question asked by Kamil, to say either company produces crap at the upper level is a massive statement to make as all reels are vulnerable to malfunction through either faults or poor maintenents, what ever reasons it happens to all makes.
I am looked after by Daiwa & at times my posts may sound bais, only because i can comment on what I feel because I know the product, having said that, you still won't find me rubbishing Shimano's top end stuff.
If it's a personal problem you have with Lee, sort it out elsewhere please & visa-versa Lee, not here.
Thanks Greg.
point taken fellas righto ill leave it at that.
Was going over what i had previously wrote and i now believe it may have sounded over the top.
cheers James
also guys whilst we are on this topic of decision making, i recently purchased a tyrnos 20 and mainly wanted to target yellowfin with it, with the odd chance of hooking a big bait for down rigging on it.
any ideas out there on what lines i should run through it?
eg all mono, half mono half braid, or all braid with a top shot. all ideas welcomed
James for fishing the deep blue, all mono, but people do top shot it with braid. And it suffices nicely for everything. Try Momoi mono, its tops, Black Magic or Stren or Tortue even.
What you doing this weekend, you busy? The dollys are here and the blacks are in close from what ive been hearing!!! I want to get out there so bad!
As Kamil says some are running topshots of braid to drop line diameters but its just another chink in your armour, another knot (and you wont be able to retie it occasionally).
Better off running mono all the way "or" all braid if you can justify the price of 1000yd spool when most of the time you will only use 200-300m on a good fish, the rest is only there for that special 1.
yeah not very keen on putting to many joins in the line so will probably go all mono and sacrifice some metres.
thanks for the advice
James
also guys whilst we are on this topic of decision making, i recently purchased a tyrnos 20 and mainly wanted to target yellowfin with it, with the odd chance of hooking a big bait for down rigging on it.
any ideas out there on what lines i should run through it?
eg all mono, half mono half braid, or all braid with a top shot. all ideas welcomed
Top shotting with 100-200m is a good option as if you want to target yft you can just take the top shot off.
What species are you tareting when downrigging?
Cheers
Lee
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